Alien Boobies (Love and Saucers Review)

Kat and Ryley explore the fascinating world of David Huggins, an elderly man who claims to have lost his virginity to an extraterrestrial.

Review Overview: An intriguing documentary that tells David's story with care. The concept is definitely something we haven't seen before. David's artwork is beautiful and sometimes graphic.
It's not your usual alien/extraterrestrial documentary, either. Convincing you that David's experiences actually happened doesn't seem to be the goal. Getting to know him and his life is captivating enough to keep you watching.
Kat: 3/5
Ryley: 4/5

kat 0:15

Hello and welcome to Easy Bake takes the podcast I'm Kat

ryley 0:18

and I'm Ryley.

kat 0:21

Ryley, you want to tell them what we watched this week?

ryley 0:23

Okay, so what we watched this week was called Love and saucers. It's a vice documentary. It was directed by Brad Abraham's and the star is David Huggins. It's a documentary about David Huggins. This is basically a description so he lost his virginity to an alien woman among 100 other extra- other extraterrestrial encounters and chronicled it all on surreal paintings steel, few of which have ever been seen. Love and Saucers is his story about basically just you know, his alien abductions and his relationships to those aliens that kidnapped him, it's a it's a wild documentary. It was released in 2017. Pretty interesting. But Kat What did you think about it when you watched it?

kat 1:05

I just want to add that it is nice that it is only an hour.

ryley 1:07

It's not long. It's not a full length documentary.

kat 1:10

It seems like maybe it was on like TV or something or YouTube, but I do have to say it made me really uncomfortable. Like the paintings were just so fucking graphic. They were so graphic and made my stomach feel weird to look at the paintings.

ryley 1:24

Yeah

kat 1:25

I think also just like him being an old white man added to it. I was just like you could, you could be creepy.

ryley 1:31

Could be creepy.

kat 1:32

Like you could you could be a weird creepy dude, for all I know. That's how I feel about most old men where I'm like, you could be a huge creep, and I wouldn't know unless, like, somebody who knows you told me. But I love that it's like an hour long. It's amazing. I also like, it made me also feel like a little sad, because I'm like, I feel like people are mean to him. But then there's also that possibility that he's like, secretly really weird or not a good person or something. So there's always that were just like, this conflict in me where I'm like, should I feel like bad if people are mean to him about this whole thing or whatever. And then it's very interesting. I just, I never would have thought that this would be a topic that a documentary would be made on because I didn't know that anyone had this kind of experience.

ryley 2:19

Yeah. So that's why it's such a wild one that I really wanted to do.

kat 2:23

Because like, it's this weird thing where it's like, if this is true, and this happened, like okay, cool. But like if he's not if he just has like a really big imagination and like has been making all this up that just like makes me feel weird about him as a person and I think just my feelings on him as a person really depend on if I believe that this could have happened or not.

ryley 2:47

Yes, that- I mean that's a way to look at it. I think. I think the point of this documentary wasn't to really make you believe 100% If this all happened or or go like Oh, what a crazy delusional man I don't think that was the point of it.

kat 3:03

Yeah.

ryley 3:03

I really do think it was just- just hear his story and hear

kat 3:08

Yeah, of course.

ryley 3:09

Not crazy but-

kat 3:10

It's just hard- it's just hard not to

ryley 3:12

it's hard not to

kat 3:12

Judge him as a person

ryley 3:10

It's hard not to judge when you you know kind of hear this kind of

kat 3:17

Yeah

ryley 3:17

I get that

kat 3:18

I tried not to I try not to be super judgmental about the whole thing. When I was watching it

ryley 3:23

right it's one of those documentaries I think makes you challenge that like not

kat 3:28

For sure

ryley 3:28

really just just listen to someone and it and I think it's one of the documentaries to where like I don't think you have to judge I think you can just enjoy it and I would like I'm gonna be honest, I would kill to have one of his pays not one of the graphic ones but I will

kat 3:42

Yeah his paintings. I love his style like I love his painting style.

ryley 3:45

and some of his paintings are like the ones that aren't graphic like are pretty cool again, I wouldn't I wouldn't mind having that kind of creepy.

kat 3:50

Yeah

ryley 3:50

but like it's about Alien Encounters. So like they're obviously going to be creepy to some extent but or like scary to some extent but like they're really cool.

kat 3:59

He's definitely got a Yeah, he's definitely got a very interesting style and he's not a bad artist.

ryley 4:04

No, he's better than me.

kat 4:05

it. It's just he draws a lot of penises boobies and vaginas. You know

ryley 4:10

Of him

kat 4:11

and paintings of him fucking an alien. Like it's it's weird.

ryley 4:16

That's my favorite part is he doesn't have to be asked.

kat 4:19

I think that that was the biggest thing for me. It was just like how he painted the alien lady just made me feel weird

ryley 4:27

because it's a human woman body but within like,

kat 4:32

like the fact that she had like hair was weird to me. It was like are all the men on your planet bald? Like all the women have like black bobs and they look like they're from like, they were like an artsy French lady.

ryley 4:43

literally exactly. And like she's like, she has like, you know, the gray pale big eyes.

kat 4:48

Yeah.

ryley 4:48

Alien face, but like a woman body and so it's it's kind of, I don't know, it's one of those things where like, you get to see his mind and you know, that might make people uncomfortable.

kat 4:59

Yeah.

ryley 5:00

But you know what? It's okay.

kat 5:01

Yeah. And the the other thing that I had was I'm just glad that his son is like, in his life, I was really like, just happy that his son was like, not like, didn't immediately abandon being part of his life. You know, he has the right to do that. But like, I'm just glad that he didn't. For some reason, it just feels kind of comforting to know that he still has like a family support system in this.

ryley 5:26

And I think he is remarried.

kat 5:27

Yeah.

ryley 5:28

Or he? I don't think she wanted to be in the documentary though.

kat 5:32

Yeah, he did. He did mention how he was married, and then got divorced. And then all of the memories started coming back about the stuff and that's why he started painting. i Yeah, he must not have really mentioned her. His like, current wife.

ryley 5:50

I might have, I might have filled on it. I might have been like, in my like, I don't know, I, you know, he's like, with someone but you know, he doesn't have to be to be happy but.

kat 5:59

Yeah.

ryley 5:59

No, I am really glad that his son was like, super chill about it. He's all like, yeah, it's just something I kind of grew up with was never really questioned. You know, and still isn't apparently, you know. Because like, I think his son, even got it and he was all like, I'm not. I'm not going to judge my dad about it.

kat 6:13

Yeah, and that's the thing. It's like, if his son can be there for him and not like

ryley 6:16

and it not be a problem.

kat 6:18

Yeah. Or you know what, like, maybe he you know, he probably has his own private feelings about it.

ryley 6:22

Yeah,

kat 6:22

But he didn't go out of his way to make his dad look bad in this documentary. Like he just

ryley 6:28

yeah, no one did.

kat 6:29

No one did. Yeah.

ryley 6:30

His boss spoke very highly of him. His neighbor who, like literally on screen, found out like, was showing like what he does and what he says happened to him. He's like,

kat 6:40

Is that the one that was that was like, Yeah, I believe in aliens.

ryley 6:43

Yeah, he was there. He was saying how nice of a old man he was. How nice of a neighbor he was. He never says like, I don't care if people don't believe this is just, I'm just saying what happened to me like, this is just what I know happened to me.

kat 6:55

Yeah.

ryley 6:56

And, you know, it's like, one of those things where like he's not hurting anyone. I mean, what, I mean, again, it's like, if you believe in aliens or not, you're not hurting anyone, you know?

kat 7:05

Yeah, that's it. That's the like, stark contrast between like, this documentary and the last alien documentary that we watched where it was like, this one's about a one specific person who feels that they did have an alien encounter. And that it was like a very, like, you know, different than most where it's like, Oh, I saw a flying saucer. This one he claims to have had a whole like, relationship and ton of children with an alien.

ryley 7:31

Yeah.

kat 7:31

Also, like, if, if I were with an alien, and we had a bunch of kids together, I would, I would like have the weird suspicion that they're using me to make more people for them. So

I immediately- well that and like, I really thought like, they're trying to, I don't know this like, like, they're trying to have like kids that look human as like

Oh ok so they can- so they can

ryley 7:55

I don't know, I just

kat 7:56

insert them into society.

ryley 7:57

Yeah, it sounds like a movie plot. But I don't know.

kat 8:00

Yeah, that's, that's another thing with this it like, it sounds like, it sounds like we're making this shit up. Or like, we watched a fictional movie.

ryley 8:07

Yeah.

kat 8:07

about this.

ryley 8:08

Yeah.

kat 8:08

But it's like, you know, like, this is, this is this guy's story. This is how he feels that his life went, like, whether you believe him or not, is your own thing,

ryley 8:20

It's your own thing. And also, like, I'm just gonna say, I don't think you have to have an opinion. Whether you believe it or not. I think you should just listen and just I'm not saying you have to believe in 100% or not believe him. Like, just listen to his story.

kat 8:34

It's like how does openly and like, disagreeing with this guy affect him?

ryley 8:39

Yeah, that's like, yeah,

kat 8:40

It's not gonna change anything

ryley 8:40

He will not care. He literally won't care. It's, he's gonna go okay. That's your opinion. That's fine. I literally don't care like

kat 8:48

and I think what I liked about it is it didn't really feel like they were trying to convince me that it happened. They were just like, they were just telling his story.

ryley 8:54

This is his story. This is his story. Enjoy if you want to don't if you don't want to, you know.

kat 9:00

Yeah. And it's like, you know, the creepy feelings. I got, whatever. That's not going to change how this

ryley 9:06

It's an old man? Just it's nat- it's uh,

kat 9:08

It was it. They're very graphic paintings. I will

ryley 9:10

They're very graphic.

kat 9:11

it's just and him talking about having sex with this alien.

ryley 9:15

Like, it's multiple. It's multiple times throughout the years.

kat 9:19

Like, it was like a mixture of like, I want to throw up, but I'm also cringing the hardest I've ever wished in my life.

ryley 9:27

Yeah.

kat 9:28

And that's no, it's like no judgment on him.

ryley 9:31

Yeah,

kat 9:31

It's just the subject matter. That made me uncomfortable.

ryley 9:35

Yeah.

kat 9:35

So like, if you're uncomfortable seeing graphic paintings, of people having sex, or you're uncomfortable with someone talking graphically about how they had sex with an alien or just in general, I would say probably avoid this one.

ryley 9:49

It's alien porn. Basically, it's literally alien porn,

kat 9:53

You made me watch an hour and five minutes of graphic alien porn paintings, and I'll never forgive you for that.

ryley 10:00

Okay, I'm gonna be honest I forgot how many there were I knew there was a few I was like, okay, she's just you it's not that bad. And then I started watching I was like, oh my god

kat 10:07

Throughout they're throughout the whole thing. They're used as B roll at any opportunity they get to show one of his paintings. They do like the documentaries more about his depiction of it through his paintings than it is about like anything else.

ryley 10:21

Well, he's so frank about it like and like, you know, like, he will show you a painting of him being like, like, something happened to him sexually with an alien be like, yep, this happened, year 1966.

kat 10:21

Sucking on an alien teet.

ryley 10:36

Yes.

kat 10:37

And it's just like him. It's not even shown on screen. It's just them like him flipping through paintings, and handing it off to somebody who's talking to him about it. It's just so frank, and it feels like it shouldn't be that

ryley 10:50

Yeah. I'm gonna say it, that's probably where like, I was like, why is this dude so open about show show? To people he's like, me, and 1967 being jerked off into a cup by two alien ladies. That's literally a painting. That's literally a painting like dude. But it's a very entertaining one, yeah.

kat 11:09

That's that's all I have to say at the moment. I'm sure there'll be more thoughts, but that's all there is.

ryley 11:15

Yeah, we'll read some reviews and like all these bring up really good points and good arguments. I do have a fun fact that before we go and get on to our critics.

kat 11:24

Okay.

ryley 11:25

There is an Adventure Time episode in Season Eight, where tree trunks the character play really has this storyline she gets she has an alien husband with alien children. And it's literally based off David Huggins, but like she obviously doesn't, you know,

kat 11:41

She doesn't paint porn.

ryley 11:43

She doesn't paint- Yeah, she doesn't do that. And it's something with like, bubblegum being weird, or like, she's like, trying to do some bad to aliens, but literally, it's that it's literally that concept like she has an alien husband and alien children. It's kind of cute.

kat 11:58

That sounds cute.

ryley 11:59

And literally, the Mantis is there. They draw in the Mantis that he has in his paintings. It's so great. It's in season eight. I forgot what it's called. I should've written down that episode.

kat 12:09

I'm sure I'll find it. We'll find it in the future. But that sounds that sounds like Adventure Time to me.

ryley 12:16

So it's so on par with Adventure Time.

kat 12:19

Yes.

ryley 12:20

Okay. So I have this first critic review. As by Brent McKnight. They talk about him and like he's an affable elder gentleman who works part time in a deli he paints he's not he's not a very like, exciting man, other than what he says has happened to him all his life. "Love and saucers doesn't Blaze any new trails. The bulk of this scant runtime is just Huggins recounting his encounters, of which there are hundreds, if not 1000s, and many, which are immortalized in hundreds of Impressionist paintings. What sets loves and saucers apart from the documentary pack is that it neither asks vieweres to believe against noises, set him up for mockery." And then I believe because like, it's, we're not making fun of him.

kat 12:59

Yeah.

ryley 13:00

And a lot of people in who did write a review, are saying, like, Oh, they're being really mean and making a mockery and like, you obviously didn't watch it. Because that's not what they're doing.

kat 13:08

Because sometimes it's like, I understand that what you're doing, you're getting views about this person who has this thing that could be made fun of.

ryley 13:15

Yeah.

kat 13:16

And you are like, you specifically aren't making fun of them, but you're setting them up to get made fun of So You seem like a bad person. But no one can really pin that on you. But I know what you're I know, I can see through the intent. But like in this one, it doesn't seem like they are trying to make him look crazy or bad or anything.

Well, they show him in his life. They show him in his apartment, like they show how like normal the dude he is he works in it literally works in a deli he paints for as a hobby. He's an old man, you know, it's and he's just telling his story. It's really just like allowing him to speak. So I don't I don't think it's a mockery either. Yeah, his story's crazy. It's more of the person who chooses to mock but I don't think the mockery.

That's the point I was trying to get to.

Yeah, just moving down through the article. "Even Huggins himself does it push an agenda one way or another. This is simply his story. And whether you believe him or not, doesn't really bother him. It doesn't impact his life either way, and he neither hides nor broadcasts his pass. In an interview. His boss basically says he's nice. He does a good job. What do I care if he's banged a few aliens?" Yeah, basically. "Over time, thanks largely to his art, which is surprisingly competent, I expected wing nut outsider paint splatters, but he paints in a reasonable," f-. I don't know what that's says

ryley 14:42

facsimile

kat 14:43

"...facsimile of Impressionist style. But you know with extra terrestrial boobs, Huggins has become a cult figure. Watching footage of an art show the crowd features a wide swath of viewers. Some are drawn by the prospect of checking," out his "out this weirdo who paints alien sex scenes, still others show up because they've had similar experiences." A lot of people in the documentary said like, oh, I completely believe them because it's happened to me.

Yes.

ryley 15:09

And like he, remember he was reading that book.

kat 15:11

It's yeah, he was reading it. It sounded exactly like his experience. And so he like yeah.

ryley 15:17

"whether or not" you believe "you're a believer, won't diminish your enjoyment. molders and Scolese should both find much to enjoy. Love and saucers presents a straightforward story without any twists or turns, save the obvious one that allows Huggins to tell his own tale. So hypnotic, engrossing, incisive, all Bell live oddball life, not one that will shatter your worldview, but one that's worth a look for anyone it should in a different point of view. There's no judgment or pressure from the filmmaker, just one man recounting the unbelievable narrative of his life." He gave it to be, which I think is very good. And that's like the general consensus of everyone who watches like this. It's pretty it's it's entertaining.

kat 15:57

It's not like a groundbreaking documentary or anything.

ryley 16:00

No, because it's, I mean, it's just one man's story.

kat 16:04

Yeah, exactly.

ryley 16:05

That's really hard for most people to relate to. It's good. It's interesting. There's no pressure to believe in one way or not. It's not bias.

kat 16:15

Yeah.

ryley 16:15

It's, it's just this guy.

kat 16:17

I didn't expect a like, I was expecting, like the what people were saying didn't happen. Like I was kind of expecting him to be like, a spectacle more than just the subject of it. Like I was expecting it to set him up to be made fun of and I think that's where that like feeling of oh, people are gonna make fun of this guy came from because I didn't I didn't feel like the filmmakers were setting him up for that. I just was like, oh, people are assholes. I feel like people are gonna be mean to him over this.

ryley 16:47

Oh, yeah, definitely.

kat 16:49

In the end, I was like, you'd have to be a complete dick to like really go out of your way to be mean to this guy.

ryley 16:56

Like you know what they were saying this documentary sets up where yeah, like you just said they would have they have to go out of their way to be the the asshole to make because that's not what this documentary is doing. This one was a negative review by Roger Moore, called "Movie Review: Artist paints his kinky close encounters in love and saucers" basically starts with "David Huggins is a trained artists of the primitivist slash Impressionists

kat 17:22

Primativist, I think

ryley 17:24

primitive

kat 17:25

primitive, like primitive-ist just like primitive like,

ryley 17:28

oh, primitive is.

kat 17:29

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you got it.

ryley 17:32

Okay. "Impressionists school who has put one subject himself in his lifetime encounters with aliens. He's particularly concerned with the conjugal visits, meetings that he uses for sexual nature and illustrates them not in not totally unskilled detail in painting after painting." That's kind of okay. That's like, and illustrates them in not totally unskilled detail on painting after painting. That's a little.

kat 17:55

That was a backhanded compliment. 100%

ryley 17:58

That was a little backhanded compliment, which is mean like, they're good. I would buy one.

kat 18:03

They're not even like close to unskilled like he's a good artist.

ryley 18:07

Yeah. Like that's the thing like they're really good. "In an earlier age, we might have labeled the word alien abduction porn. So

kat 18:15

I would still label it that.

ryley 18:17

I I mean, yeah, I mean I don't know what else. It's porn. "To his credit filmmaker, Brad. Abraham's never let's on that he's making fun of this odd old Hoboken man's obsession." I don't know what that is.

kat 18:29

He's from Hoboken. He lives in Hoboken, New Jersey.

ryley 18:31

Oh, okay. All right. I didn't know where that was. "He let's Huggins and sell story in graphic detail in love and saucers. An elderly credulous true believer's coital communion that has to be seen to be believed or disbelieved." Again, I don't think it's about that. I don't think it's about believing or disbelieving.

kat 18:54

Yeah.

ryley 18:54

I think it's I don't believe that. I think if you're watching it to be that way, I think you're watching it the wrong way.

kat 19:00

This is not about proving aliens exist. This is the farthest farthest thing from it.

ryley 19:05

It hardly has anything to do with aliens about it's about him.

kat 19:08

Yeah,

ryley 19:08

It's about the human like his human experience. You know?

kat 19:11

Yes.

ryley 19:12

"The one true outside expert put on camera here Jeffrey finds Huggins sincere in his beliefs that he's been meeting assorted aliens, so Jeffrey takes it on faith that the guy believes this happen." And I think he's just taking jabs at people at this point.

kat 19:26

If it's somebody who studies and researches like, like, alien stuff, of course, he's going to take his word for it.

ryley 19:33

Yeah, if you watch the documentary, like this guy also had an experience with aliens. So like, of course, he's gonna, you know, be talking about David Huggins and like believing him because he also had his own experience with that. That's also like it okay, if you're gonna watch this, just to tear it up, just to make fun of people because that's how I'm getting from this article.

kat 19:54

He's going out of his way to be a dick.

ryley 19:55

Yeah, you're going out of your way to be a dick. Watch this for the wrong reasons.

kat 19:59

Yeah.

ryley 19:59

"Lacking an outside expert to go into what makes Huggins believe all these fantastical things happen to an artsy dreamer from rural Georgia, Abraham's who artfully uses the paintings to flesh out his narration needs to do more probing himself with his questions, he doesn't. The barest hints of a troubled childhood let the viewer wonder what wasn't asked." And this might be a little graphic for some people. "And if there was molestation involved."

kat 20:26

He was paralyzed when everything was happening. So if you know, I did get like the creepies of that, where I'm like,

ryley 20:31

yeah.

kat 20:32

if, if he's making this up, then that's not as big of a deal. But like, if this was true, it feels a little weird. But like if he is, you know, he's a consenting person.

ryley 20:41

It's one of those things where like, someone who's making a documentary about this guy, and he does talk about like, how- Huggins does talk about how his parents were both alcoholic growing up, and he was like, abused, like, physically, like they would hit him and stuff. I think there's a point in the documentary, like, what questions do you ask and whether it's appropriate or not? You? And you know, it might not? Why would he ask him if more happened? Why would he? Why would you try to like literally, like, push him for like, more answers? Why would you? It's like, you can't you can't play therapists or psychologic, Psych psychology, psychology? What was it called?

kat 21:23

You can't be his therapist. You can't psychoanalyze him.

ryley 21:26

Nor should you do that when you're documenting people.

kat 21:28

Yeah.

ryley 21:28

You know, you don't play that game. And also, like, when you're a person writing a review like this, don't ask like you're a psychologist, you have no clue.

kat 21:37

Also, when you're when you make a documentary, you're your job there is to observe, you're not there to get you're not there to like, dig into the deeper issues or like, try and change the narrative of what they tell you. If you're a good documentary filmmaker,

ryley 21:53

Which I think Brian Abrahams was, you know.

kat 21:56

Yeah.

ryley 21:56

He did his job, his subject, told what he wanted to talk about. He had- we observed his life. It was great. It was awesome. And to hint that, like, this guy didn't do his job. And you wanted more, more drama out of this?

kat 22:12

Yeah, you wanted him to be sensationalized when the person making the documentary didn't want that. And I think that was the best way to go with it. Like he's not trying to turn like, like I said earlier, he's not trying to turn him into a spectacle.

ryley 22:25

Yeah,

kat 22:26

He's just making a documentary about his life story. Like he's not trying to turn him into like, this wild, crazy thing that's happening.

ryley 22:35

And it's like one of the things too is like, I'm sorry, okay, I get it. You don't believe this happen? Keep that to yourself. You don't? You don't need to find answers

kat 22:45

Exactly.

ryley 22:45

Out of this documentary. You're not his therapists so don't talk about that. You know, like, it's just like, it's I just think it's a lot to say when you have no clue.

kat 22:55

Yeah, I feel like he's assuming that the documentary filmmakers should have had more responsibility in like talking about those things, but I don't think that that's their job.

ryley 23:06

No, I lit- Yeah, absolutely not.

kat 23:08

If David wanted to talk about something like that and bring in like oh, he if he feels like something more malicious happened to him in that situation? Fine. That's his story to tell. They shouldn't, it's not it's nobody's place to force him to tell a story he doesn't want to tell.

ryley 23:24

Exactly.

kat 23:25

That's where it would become an issue I would not have liked this documentary if I felt that they were forcing him to talk about things that he didn't want to talk about

ryley 23:32

Exactly. Or like made them uncomfortable in any way or like

kat 23:35

Yeah.

ryley 23:36

And also like you trying to explain because obviously like if you're hinting that like these stories are replaced with like, stories that you know, he's fabricating to replace from his molestation, you try to ask those questions is not going to help him.

kat 23:50

Yeah, exactly.

ryley 23:51

That is gonna that's gonna really mess with him and make him uncomfortable.

kat 23:55

It all goes back to it not being your fucking place to do that to begin with.

ryley 23:58

It's not your place to do that. I got really mad when I read that the first time. I'm like, that's not.

kat 24:03

I bet.

ryley 24:03

That's not your job.

kat 24:04

Yeah, like that has that has really nothing to do with it?

ryley 24:08

Yeah.

kat 24:09

I don't know. I feel like that's not a point that should have been brought up.

ryley 24:12

I don't think so either. "Huggins' wacky consultations at the iching" and quote it's parenthesis "tossing the coins. His first gallery showing of his works and his endless detailed and explicit descriptions of his interspecies sex life. May play cute but seems like an unhealthy or at least unseemly filmmakers indulgence of an old man with unresolved issues, issues not helped by the act of legitimizing them with a documentary."

kat 24:38

I don't think he's hurting anybody by thinking about thinking these things. And I don't think he's hurting himself. Obviously. It's not an issue. If his son who seems like he cares about him is still like there. I know that like we don't know everything about his family life. We don't know his son's intentions. But from the documentary and what I saw, it does not seem like this was an ill intended documentary. It does not seem like they were trying to make money. Because I had never heard about this man or the this documentary before this.

ryley 25:09

That's the thing. No one's like hugely benefiting off of him telling these stories like, yeah, he gets to sell a few paintings to few people. That's awesome.

kat 25:18

Yeah.

ryley 25:18

Good for him, he has to sell a few paintings of his what this man has told. I don't think again, I don't think the people who made this documentary are exposing him. And I don't think they're indulging him. Again. It's not their place to what you think this man needs help. And obviously, he's a functioning person. If he needed help, he would get help.

kat 25:36

They're making it seem like the people in his life too, are not helping him.

ryley 25:42

Yeah.

kat 25:42

But it's like, he's literally not harming anybody. He's expressing all of these feelings positively. And all these ideas that he has positively by making this art. He's not going out and like, being awful to people because he thinks this. He's not being awful to himself. He just like, you may think that he's delusional for thinking this, but I don't think this is the kind of thing where he's, like, you know, spending 99% of his life thinking about this and doing things with this he has a job. He treats painting as a hobby. Like it's not it's not something that's completely taken over his life and ruined relationships in his life. Like all of the relationships in his life. His boss was in the documentary, his boss talked highly of him.

ryley 26:24

Yeah.

kat 26:25

People in his life don't find it harmful and it's not your place as a critic of this to bring his like mental state into whether or not this was a good documentary like that has nothing to do with it. If his family was speaking out and saying that they felt that this documentary was doing bad things for him mentally or that sensational they like it sensationalized him fine, but like if you are the if you as a critic are the only one saying this and the only one bringing up this point. I don't think it's your place to say it but if you're echoing something that people close to him have said fine, I get it because I would I would want to listen to his family members views on this too.

ryley 27:03

Like if we were like watch the documentary like he's living like in like bad conditions or like it's obvious it's obvious that he's like not mentally well then of course

kat 27:11

yeah.

ryley 27:11

This man has a clean home he cooks his own meals he has a job he paints as a hobby he literally said in the in the document painting helps him it makes it makes them feel better.

kat 27:21

He has a- like literally positive outlet for it. He's not saying it his family's not saying it just to like fuck off about it like don't make your your whole point that you think that he's being used. Sorry to keep going off on little tangents about it. It's just like

ryley 27:35

No cuz, well, I love digging into this one because it really did like it. Like it made me mad reading this one because I'm like, you missed the point of this.

kat 27:43

because like, that's the that's where it gets a little sticky when you're making a documentary about one specific person, especially when it's a person who's not like a big famous person.

ryley 27:54

Yeah.

kat 27:54

Because it's like they don't have enough information about this person to make like an educated statement about how this like documentary went about telling their story

ryley 28:04

"In a culture at war over truth and facts versus sincere beliefs, love and saucers aligns itself firmly with the cranks without you in the courtesy of a wink to suggest it's not in on the joke," which I don't even know what they're trying to say at the end. Should I read it again?

kat 28:19

I think they're trying to say that like basically that they set him up to me made fun of like something in that vein, where it's like, he's he's not in on the joke, but everyone else is.

ryley 28:29

I literally don't think that at all.

kat 28:31

Because I'm I'm sure when you have you know, something like this that you believe happened to you like at first you might go around trying to tell people and like, get somebody to like, make it make more sense to you. But I'm sure he's had a lot of people in his life who did not handle him telling them very well.

ryley 28:49

I mean, yeah. His first wife.

kat 28:50

Yeah, he probably just doesn't pick any old person off the street with a camera to talk about this too. Literally, like I said before, I've never heard of this guy

ryley 28:58

Never heard of him.

kat 28:58

I've literally never heard of him. And so it's obvious that he's not just trying to tell anyone he can. He's being mindful about who he's telling and who's telling his story. Like.

ryley 29:09

Exactly. And I hate that they bring up they literally have It quoted in a culture war over truth and facts. Again, I don't think that's what this document is about. It's not about what's real. What's not real.

kat 29:19

Yeah.

ryley 29:19

It's literally just about this man's story. That's it. And to think deeper, like to think to put the extra effort into going well, is he telling the truth or not? I don't think it's I don't think it's about that. I don't think it's about that.

Yes.

I have one more positive review from a critic. She only gave it three out of five stars, but she liked it wasn't like it was It wasn't like a totally negative one.

kat 29:40

I feel like those ones happen because it's not the most like like I said before, it's not like an amazing, or groundbreaking.

ryley 29:46

Not the most exciting No.

kat 29:48

And it's also not like the most, you know, beautifully made or anything like that.

ryley 29:52

It's pretty fluorescent lights throughout.

kat 29:55

Yeah.

ryley 29:56

But yeah, I mean, it's really just about the story. And whether you liked it, but she writes and I'm gonna just jump into it she she she gives a description of it and she goes, "several factors present themselves straightaway that will reassure those inclined to doubt David's testimony. Encounters began in adolescence common time for the first sentence of another psychiatric disorder," so I guess she's referring to like he did like his parents weren't the best at all. "They mostly seem to begin and end with him laying in his bed. The aliens that he describes and paints look very human like only with distorted of faces commonly described by people's hallucinations during periods of sleep paralysis, but there's more going on in the documentary than investigation into the reality of David's claims, which are never seriously challenged. Instead, we are invited to observe," who is in who is "who is he as a person? And what these encounters have meant to him." She just explains the point whether

Yes, exactly.

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot the name her Jenny H eyeforfilm.co.uk

kat 30:58

Yeah, she hits she hits the nail right on the head. Like it's it may seem like because it's about aliens and like everything that's about aliens is always about proving that aliens exist. But this literally like you know, that could be like a very deep in the background point.

ryley 31:13

Yeah.

kat 31:13

like I was saying whenever I whether or not I believed him, you know, the only thing that affects is just how I feel about him as a person because if I if I knew that he was lying about this, that would be weird.

ryley 31:23

Yeah.

kat 31:24

Like that, then it would become an issue of like, Oh, is he just trying to like do a cash grab kind of thing with this or? But yeah, so it's not it's not really something that I would say is important to hearing anything about the story

ryley 31:39

and you can play and like she says, like, you know, it was It started in his teens or started when he was a child really, but um, she goes, there's a number of psychic- psychiatric disorders that emerge. Again, you can play psychologists all day long with this but that's not the point of the documentary, and nor do I think it's appropriate to play psychologists.

kat 31:59

Yeah, I don't think it's ever I don't think it's ever appropriate to especially if you're not a professional to diagnose people.

ryley 32:06

Exactly. I just so

kat 32:08

It always feels wrong.

ryley 32:09

It's always wrong. Whether you might be closer to truth or not, it's still wrong. "In keeping with this Brad Abrahams keeps the film low key with no flashy directorial touches to distract from its reality. David's painting serve to illustrate the visitors he describes in the places where he says he has traveled in their company. For viewers willing to listen to David without mocking his story though prosaic in tone has a sweet quality to it. His life has undoubtedly been enriched by his experiences, whatever their origin, and he doesn't seem to have suffered any negative impact." That's a great point.

kat 32:45

Yeah.

ryley 32:46

"Still working and marrying and raising a son. His narrative suggests that friendship and love can be real and valuable, whether the objects are real or not. Ultimately, the film doesn't tell us very much about extraterrestrials. Even if you're a believer, you will have heard similar stories before but has plenty say about being human." And that's the point of this documentary. It's, it's, it's really not about aliens. It's about being human. Literally.

kat 33:12

Exactly.

ryley 33:13

It's not an alien story. Really.

kat 33:15

It's not trying to convince you that aliens exist.

ryley 33:17

No.

kat 33:18

Like, it's just you're just hearing somebody's experience. He's literally just living his life.

ryley 33:24

Literally living his life.

kat 33:24

You know, either. I feel like in this could be completely wrong. But I feel like vice probably caught wind of like him and just wanted to shed light on his story. Because it's an interesting story. Whether that be that because the you know, they, they thought, oh, this would be an interesting thing people will want to watch this. We could make money off of it.

ryley 33:43

Yeah, it's a compelling story. You don't make movies for free.

kat 33:46

But I also feel like this, the narrative that they were doing was not driven or manipulated in a way to make them more money. Like, it just seems like they were simply telling this guy's story.

ryley 34:00

It's an interesting story. That's it. That's it and to Exactly, yeah, and we said it, like, we said it like, multiple times now like.

kat 34:08

Yeah.

ryley 34:08

Everyone who tries to bring out like, oh, we need to really look into the deeper meaning of it. Like, that's not what this documentary is about. That's not- you can do that on your own time. But like, like, and don't like, I just hate it. I hate when people diagnose people. I'm like, You're not- unless you're a therapist also, but like, and then again, if you are, you're still not not talking to this person. You haven't met this person. You're just basing out what you're watching. In a documentary, you have no clue.

kat 34:36

And I think any good real professional person who has- is in the field of psychology would know not to.

ryley 34:43

Exactly.

kat 34:44

They know that they don't they can't base their entire analysis of a person on a documentary that was made.

ryley 34:50

Exactly.

kat 34:51

but that kind of reminds me and this is just a slight tangent. So when Shane Dawson was making those documentaries about Jake Paul. If you remember.

ryley 35:01

Yeah.

kat 35:02

He was- he had- he brought along this therapist YouTuber who was very controversial now because she's not a good like therapist at all. And she doesn't have specialties in the areas that he was trying to bring up. And so like, it's one of those things where you're just like, why are you like, I understand that you are trying to make a point here, but you're not using like a reputable source to make your point. So inherently, I do not believe what you were trying to say. Like they were trying to diagnose Jake Paul, as like a sociopath. And I think that is one of the most dangerous ways you can diagnose somebody. And you know, they didn't formally diagnosed but he would like, go talk to her about it, and be like, Oh, do you think he's exhibiting those signs you were talking about? And like, all this shit, and it's like, you are not the person who should be doing this. He should that should be something that he I don't like, I don't care how you feel about Jake Paul. I hate him. But like-

ryley 36:05

Yeah.

kat 36:06

that's not something that needs to be your job to do. Like, you are not in charge of diagnosing this person

ryley 36:13

You- you can't use therapy as a party trick. I'm sorry. And after like, I'm guessing only a few visits. Like that's something that takes so much time and, like so much time so much work so much actual, like talking to, not something that's filmed for, what, 60 minutes or something, you know?

kat 36:31

Yeah.

ryley 36:31

Like, it's not?

kat 36:32

Well, I mean, Shane Dawson as a whole is just a very irritating person.

ryley 36:37

And so is Jake Paul.

kat 36:38

Yeah, yes, they're both very irritating people who do bad things.

ryley 36:41

Yeah.

kat 36:42

But like, goddamn like, and now thinking about it. I'm like, why was that a plot point? But obviously, that was a plot point in that documentary series, I would- it's very loosely a documentary. But yeah, that was my my tangent. But also Oh, I thought of this earlier. I'm so sorry. I forgot to say this. I wrote it down too, so I would remember it. Have you ever seen, and this relates to David's story and the documentary not the Jake Paul one the the love- love and saucers, there was this news clip. I think it was like a talk show or something of this woman who claimed that she was, like she started cheating on her husband with a ghost that lived in her house.

ryley 37:24

Okay.

kat 37:25

And then, you know, her husband left her because she was cheating on him with a ghost. And then she claimed to have gotten pregnant from the ghost

ryley 37:34

A ghost baby?

kat 37:35

And it was a it was a literal phantom pregnancy. And, like, you know, the baby never actually

ryley 37:43

Existed.

kat 37:43

You know came out or anything or like, she never really seemed pregnant, but this, this reminds me of that. But like, I like that one seemed more like because it was fully handled and the story was fully told through like the news.

ryley 37:56

Yeah

kat 37:57

And like interview clips and the way I've seen it was from what's it called? Like, some commentary channel talks about it. I don't remember which one, but she just claimed to have sex have been having sex with a ghost that lived in her house.

ryley 38:12

You know what? She should make paintings. And then she'll get her own documentary. But like I mean, it's one of those things where like, I don't know I don't even want to comment on it. I just

kat 38:22

I think I think the way that her story was told it was definitely more of like a

ryley 38:27

like a bit like she was really, it's a phantom pregnancy, I'm sorry that's funny.

kat 38:38

her her story seemed more like a cash grab.

ryley 38:41

Yeah,

kat 38:42

kind of thing

ryley 38:42

Yeah,

kat 38:43

and it was definitely like UM sure lady yeah

ryley 38:50

it's a great one to tell around the office or hey listen to this one it's a great

kat 38:55

yeah, it's one of those like,

ryley 38:57

Haha You got everything right there

kat 39:00

I don't want to know

ryley 39:02

Yeah, I don't

kat 39:03

I don't want to know the logistics or anything. Like I had never asked with- I would have never asked David to know the logistics of him having sex with an alien

ryley 39:13

oh yeah I wish he

kat 39:14

but no one even had no one had to ask him he just showed.

ryley 39:16

Yeah. Here's many of my weiner.

kat 39:19

here's a vagina a whole, again whole ass vagina

ryley 39:22

whole ass vagina, there's like there's a full body one of like one of the giant alien women he slept with.

kat 39:29

Yeah.

ryley 39:29

Full Body

kat 39:30

The boobies

ryley 39:31

Big Boobies

kat 39:32

The vagina. So if you if you are a minor please don't watch this. I don't I don't want to in any way encourage minors watching this because that feels icky in and of itself.

ryley 39:42

It's it's it's very graphic.

kat 39:45

Yes, I as a 22 year old, felt uncomfortable watching this.

ryley 39:49

I literally forgot. I literally forgot how many there were. Because I remembered there being a few. I'm like, oh, it's not that bad. And I started watching I'm like, good god.

kat 39:57

What have I done?

ryley 39:59

What have I done? I was like, oh Kats gonna hate this.

kat 40:02

I didn't I didn't hate it. I just it was excessive.

ryley 40:05

It was a lot. It was a lot. Well, I hated it.

kat 40:07

I hated how it made me feel.

ryley 40:11

Yes, definitely.

kat 40:15

Okay, you Do you have some audience reviews of this one?

ryley 40:19

Yes. First one got nine out of 10 stars. Title is bizarre and traumatizing. "This was an interesting movie to watch. I feel bad for Mr. Huggins, in spite of him expressing his joy with his encounters. I always felt that they were they were traumatizing. Whether you believe in aliens or not his calm conviction in explaining is pretty believable. If you like aliens, I say check it out." It's a pretty good ones pretty simple. And like he does say like how traumatizing it is, but like painting helps him

kat 40:46

Yeah.

ryley 40:47

So I mean, just

kat 40:48

Yeah, obviously it had some sort of effect on it.

ryley 40:51

Well, yeah. Like, well, his friend, he goes, like, you know how scary these encounters had to be. But he's so calm about it. Like, and his paintings are freaky. Like, not just the sexual ones, like just the ones where he's just like, in the spaceship or like, they're just they're there.

kat 41:07

Yeah.

ryley 41:08

The little hairy man freaked me out. I was like, I can't see that.

kat 41:11

Yeah.

ryley 41:11

A little like the little hairy man. He sounds like a little kid. That would freaked me out. I didn't know

kat 41:16

That would've scared the shit out of me.

ryley 41:17

I don't know. Like, that's the whole thing. I just don't know. That was a pretty good one. And then here's the really bad ones. One out of 10 scars, 10 stars. The title is very boring. "If you have to have a lot of time to waste this to spend an hour watching this." Again, not a lot of time in 60 minutes.

kat 41:34

It's literally the shortest we've watched so far.

ryley 41:37

Yeah, no kidding. "gave it a try. But had to turn off after 15 minutes." Oh so you didn't watch it. Okay, so you just didn't watch any of it. You watch 15 minutes of it.

kat 41:47

At the beginning. I will say I did have these feelings where I was like, I don't really want to keep seeing this graphic alien porn.

ryley 41:56

Yeah.

kat 41:57

But you know, for the sake of this

ryley 41:58

The podcast, yeah.

kat 42:00

I kept watching and you know, I got to know him more. As a person.

ryley 42:04

You got to stick through it.

kat 42:05

I understand why someone might turn this documentary off. I just don't. I don't think that- I feel like a lot of people aren't watching this because they randomly find it.

They randomly

ryley 42:14

find it and like, it's it is slow. It is slow. At the beginning, but like I don't know, like the concepts so interesting. I stuck through it. And like you know, and that being really good. It is slow at the beginning. I don't think it's boring. I don't understand how he thought it was boring. I understand wanting to turn it off because of how it made you feel about his paintings. But like,

kat 42:34

yeah,

ryley 42:35

that's not boring. They go on to say "basically one" they spell delusional wrong. "One delusional, older man telling his fictional story of abduction and sex with an alien, too much good material out there to watch instead of this one." You picked it dude, I don't understand what you're complaining about? Well, that was the one star.

kat 42:52

I also don't think that if you didn't if you didn't finish something, maybe you shouldn't be writing a review about it

ryley 42:57

That's the thing you watch 15 minutes you didn't even watch half of it. You watch 15 minutes of it, dude, it could changed your life. You have no clue.

kat 43:07

You could have been a believer by the end.

ryley 43:08

Yeah, no kidding. You could be best friends with David right now.

kat 43:12

Yeah, you could have been at his house while helping him paint.

ryley 43:14

Yeah, exactly. But that was the one star and this is an eight out of 10 star. And basically, it's just at 17 I lost my virginity to an alien. That's the title of it. "These are the words that the movie starts off with. I enjoy hearing of the supernatural that said I look for evidence and need strong proof to get into the story being laid out. This doc maybe, maybe not. Nonetheless, it's an interesting and well shot piece. If ya, like they put ya. "If you need a 60 to 70 minute distraction, and enjoy hearing people tell their story in regards to extraterrestrial UFOs and abductions, then you will like this Docu clip. Need action and thrills? Keep scrolling." That's a fair review. It's not that's the thing It's not crazy. It's not a conspiracy. It's literally it's literally a story that an old man is telling you so yeah,

kat 44:06

what- I think I would also probably give it like a pretty middle ground score like a three out of five.

ryley 44:13

I don't know I I think I just love a good human story

kat 44:18

Fair, yeah, that's fair.

ryley 44:18

I love good. I don't know. It's just so intriguing. Even though this movie is very graphic with his paintings and like yeah, it's a it's a it's a crazy concept to get a hold on. But I don't know. I really did like the documentary. I think it's very entertaining. I think it's a good four out of five. I think it's a I think it's pretty good. I really liked it.

kat 44:39

All right. Well, after hearing all of these critical reviews, the background information, the audience reviews, watch this documentary yourself. See what you think of David and I encourage you to try and keep your personal feelings or judgments about aliens in general out of it and just listen to you know his story as a person and and just remember not every time you watch a movie has to be about tearing it apart or critiquing it sometimes you can just enjoy things.

ryley 45:07

Exactly.

kat 45:08

Thank you for listening I'm Kat.

ryley 45:10

and I'm Ryley

kat 45:10

And this has been Easy Bake Takes the podcast. Easy listening out there.

ryley 45:14

Bye

kat 45:15

Bye