Are You the Target Audience? (Juno Review)

This week Ryley picked her favorite coming-of-age film Juno to review. This episode is filled with lots of misogyny and a lot of heated opinions.

Review Overview: Elliot Page and Diablo Cody both shine.
Juno's parents are written and acted so well. They're supportive but stay within the realm of believability.
This movie's impact changes as you, as a viewer, grow and go through different life stages. At any age, it is entertaining, funny, and heartwarming. Different parts of the movie will stick out to you with each watch. Rewatching as adults, we resonated with how Juno carries herself. She is a naive kid who wants to be cool and clever and is so endearingly dorky to watch.
It evolves with time, but it also is a 2000s time capsule. The teen lingo and the outfits are so perfectly 2000s.
The soundtrack is perfect. We still want hamburger phones.
Kat: 4/5
Ryley: 5/5

Kat 0:11

Hello and welcome to Easy Bake takes. I'm Kat

Ryley 0:14

and I'm Ryley.

Kat 0:15

Ryley. What movie did you make me watch this week?

Ryley 0:17

I made you watch the classic, Juno

Kat 0:22

Yeah, you really- you really forced my hand.

Ryley 0:24

You were like pick a dr- or was it called a dramedy, a comedy/drama

Kat 0:28

or like a heartfelt comedy or-

Ryley 0:30

Yeah, that's gonna make you like shed a tear. And I came across Juno, which I hadn't seen since. Oh God since early high school, maybe I'd see this movie years that I grew up on this movie.

Kat 0:43

I thought you were gonna say kindergarten.

Ryley 0:47

I remember this. No. It was like- but I've remember first watching this movie when I was like, 12 So it was like, that, like just becoming a teenager kind of thing.

Kat 0:58

it like came out in like, 2006

Ryley 1:00

2007

Kat 1:01

Oh, well, Amazon Prime has it wrong then.

Ryley 1:03

I've seen I've seen 2007, 2008 And then someone said somewhere 2009 I'm like,

Kat 1:10

It was probably like a theatrical release or like a US release was probably 2007. We'll stick with 2007

Ryley 1:17

But I'll read you a little bit of information about it. When precocious teen, Juno McDuff, becomes pregnant, she chooses a failed Rockstar and his wife to adopt her unborn child. Complications occur when Mark, prospective father, begins viewing Juno as more than just the mother of his future child, putting both his marriage and the adoption in jeopardy. I actually really hate that description of this movie. Because it puts so much like probably what's the word?

Kat 1:43

Is it implications?

Ryley 1:46

Yeah, it cause like it's hardly about Jason Bateman's character and he does a wonderful job but it's hardly about that.

Kat 1:52

Yeah.

Ryley 1:52

So much more than that- than that description.

Kat 1:55

It is one of those things where it's like slightly like, you know, she shuts him down but like, slightly, like romanticizing, like older man, younger woman kind of thing. Ya know? So there's that but we'll get into that.

Ryley 2:08

We'll get into that because like that is a big that is a topic in this movie but I do not think that is like what deserves to be.

Kat 2:14

It's not the main theme is that it's just a it's an it's an inciting incident. Yeah, it

Ryley 2:19

What matters is that it's about Juno, who does become pregnant. And it's her journey. Not even like about the pregnancy. It's really just about maturing growing up and the relationships that she does make in this movie.

Kat 2:33

Yeah.

Ryley 2:34

That's what I would put it as

Kat 2:35

Yeah.

Ryley 2:35

This movie, like we've been talking about came out in 2007. It is dramedy it it was directed by Jason Reitman. It was written by Diablo Cody.

Kat 2:47

She wrote Jennifer's Body

Ryley 2:48

Did she? That makes sense. That makes sense. And then we have a full star cast. It's a wonderful cast. One of my favorites.

Kat 2:56

I love- I love Elliott Page, so much.

Ryley 2:59

Elliot Page plays Juno. Wonderful, wonderful performance. Michael Cera is Pauly Bleaker. The boyfriend Michael Cera plays Michael Cera.

Kat 3:10

He's not acting. He's just saying words out loud.

Ryley 3:12

He's like, that's like not to put him down. I love him.

Kat 3:15

No, no.

Ryley 3:16

But he's Michael Cera. He's- he's always playing Michael Cera in movies. So he's fantastic. We have Jennifer Garner As Vanessa Loring. We have Jason Bateman as Mark Loring, Allison Janney as Brenda Macduff I love her character, so much.

Kat 3:31

Me too, I think I hated it when I watched it as a teen. I hate I didn't hate her character. I was just like, you know? Ya know, it was like the the fuck parents kind of era of my life. And so I was like, I didn't like her as much but like, I love her.

Ryley 3:44

She's a badass. I love her so much in this and like, it's I love how it's like, she's a positive step mom

Kat 3:50

yeah, she's- she's a good mom. Like,

Ryley 3:52

Yeah, she's so supportive. And then amazing actor. JK Simmons as Mac McDuff He plays a down he's just wonderful in this movie. Like everything else he's amazing. Olivia Thirlby as Leah, she's the best friend. She's real funny. And then Rainn Wilson from the office,play Dwight. He makes a little cameo at the beginning. And I'm pretty fence like he's speaking gibberish in the beginning. Because like, it's just like, so funny. Because like, I watched this when I was a teenager, a young teenager too. I was like, oh my god, they're so cool. And so funny and so quirky. I can't wait to be just like them. And now I'm a grown adult. I'm like, Oh my God. They're so dorky, they're dorky teenage teenagers.

Kat 4:32

That's something that I put into my, my thoughts when I was watching it. Do you want me to get into those real quick?

Ryley 4:37

Yeah, get into them.

Kat 4:38

Okay, so I will just start off with the fact that immediately after watching this movie, I played every single song on the soundtrack on guitar, because I love this soundtrack.

Ryley 4:48

You can play all of them.

Kat 4:49

Yeah, there's they're like, such easy songs and I you know, especially I'm sticking with you by the Velvet Underground,

Ryley 4:56

Wonderful.

Kat 4:57

One of my favorite songs ever. And then So yeah, I took some time to play the guitar after I watched it. Bleaker seems like everyone's like this may be me projecting. He kinda seems like everyone's dorky highschool boyfriend, you know that like you would not want him to get you pregant. Just seems kind of like not the best candidate to be getting you pregnant.

Ryley 5:19

Yeah.

Kat 5:20

He's sweet though. It's just like he's just a huge like dork like it. And that's something else I liked about it is like, there's not really like, cool people per se like, there's like the jocks or whatever at the beginning, but like, you know, it's not like

Ryley 5:32

You don't want to be pregnant at 16 and you don't want like, you know, but like, you don't want Paulie to be the father because he somehow less prepared than you are.

Kat 5:42

Yeah.

Ryley 5:42

In the situation. That's probably why Juno keeps them arm's length in this movie away from the situation because like, I think part of it was like she was protecting him. Because I remember asking her mom when I was watching this movie, I was like, why she- Why is he not dragged through the mud like she is? And she's like she's protecting him.

Kat 5:58

And I think there's like this quote from like, awkward or something where like, there's a pregnancy scare. And there's like this poster and like the free clinic, it's basically like, girls get pregnant boys don't. So it's like, the judgments always going to be placed on the girl for like, if she's, you know, she has

Ryley 6:13

the evidence,

Kat 6:15

The evidence of you know, and it's like, Well, you shouldn't have been fast and loose. And it's like, well, he was involved, too.

Ryley 6:22

It's not like there's one person involved in this. Yeah, too. And I'm not saying like, I that I like that in that movie.

Kat 6:28

No, no, I don't think you do.

Ryley 6:30

No. And I she makes that a point to she's like, You don't have to wear it, you don't have to wear the evidence. And it's like, you know, it's very, I liked how she addressed that in this movie.

Kat 6:40

And then another a few other things. One, the dialogue is very 2006. But even though it is 2006 I think it captures like American high school experience well, like, you know, in the beginning when she's just like in school, and, you know, go in about school, and there's that like the couple that's like arguing, while they're like they're lab partners. And it's like, you know, there's always that, like, weird couple that's like, either arguing or making out.

Ryley 7:04

Yeah.

Kat 7:04

It's just like you sometimes you get stuck with them. And sometimes you don't.

Ryley 7:07

Yeah.

Kat 7:08

I think the other thing was Juno as a character. I think, you know, when I watched this movie, as a teenager, I thought she was way cooler. You know, but

Ryley 7:17

No, seriously.

Kat 7:18

She's just like one of those people that's like, kind of kind of dorky in high school and is gonna be cool. They're gonna be so cool in college.

Ryley 7:24

Oh my god, like, they're gonna be cool. And they're on the path to it, but they're still in high school. And that's how I viewed as like, watching it like, you know, a few days ago. I was like, Oh my god. It's so funny to watch to like, have that perspective as a teen watching it and then as an adult watching it's so much fun.

Kat 7:42

Oh, yeah. And you know, having had watched Daria since then, you know, very Daria esque character. Also, Elliott Page reminds me a lot of, Do you know who Sarah Schauer is? They were big on Vine. They did that. I think the one where it was like, Okay, let me pull this table out of my ass.

Ryley 8:07

Yes. Yes.

Kat 8:08

Yes. They Yeah, they have like the same energy to me their voices sound super similar. I think I also wrote I just I love Brenda. Like the thing with the the, the ultrasound tech that whole scene. I was just like, I love you. I wish like if I were teen pregnant in this situation, I would hope to have you there to tell people to fuck off.

Ryley 8:31

Yeah.

Kat 8:32

And then the other thing like if when you know when Juno's giving birth and is like giving the baby back or not back or giving the baby to what's her name?

Ryley 8:41

Vanessa, in the movie.

Kat 8:41

Vanessa. Yes. Is giving like gave the baby to Vanessa. When I watched that as a teenager you know I don't think my little my little brain really wrapped around like the gravity of the situation and like I you know, I didn't really understand like, postpartum stuff and like all that so it was like watching it now. I'm like, I was bawling.

Ryley 9:02

Yeah.

Kat 9:02

I was like holy shit.

Ryley 9:02

I was crying. Like, I watched it with Austin. He was all like morning crying and like you don't get it.

Kat 9:10

This is this is a uterus thing. I don't expect you to understand. Okay.

Ryley 9:14

I just have a few things to add because like, and also.

Kat 9:18

no, sorry.

Ryley 9:18

Go ahead, go ahead.

Kat 9:19

I thought were really stupid. Okay, this is this is a uterus thing C section your way out.

Ryley 9:25

That's fucking genius. Can you write it down?

Kat 9:27

Thank you. I will write it down in my list of quotes.

Ryley 9:29

Write it down, post it somewhere. Post it somewhere. But I just have a few things to add. And I just want to add to the thing like when I say she I'm referring to the character Juno. I'm not referring to

Kat 9:40

Not Elliot Paige, yeah.

Ryley 9:42

Elliot. We understand Elliot Paige he/him. Wonderful. So when we're saying she its for Juno, the character. But also, yeah, but the post partum like yeah, she, her intention throughout the movie was to give the baby to Vanessa. And she was perfectly fine with that. But the gravity of giving birth, I've never given birth before, but I can't imagine. One, physically it's not easy. Two, mentally and emotionally that's still like, yeah, you may not want it. Yeah, you don't want to keep the baby but still my God, you worked so hard to deliver this being and.

Kat 10:21

As much as, as as detached as you may be from, like, being involved in this baby's life or being a parent to this baby. You know, like, there's still like, the, this, this thing grew inside of you, there's an

Ryley 10:33

For 9 months.

Kat 10:33

Inherent connection between the two of you. And like, you know, that you're, you're gonna have the postpartum depression, but not have the baby to, like, get through that with so it's, you know, she, she's 16, like.

Ryley 10:48

Yeah, it's so much on- that is beyond what I even know, like, the gravity of what I've even experienced in life. That's more than.

Kat 10:58

Oh, yeah.

Ryley 10:58

That's more like, I don't understand that. I, I will, I won't understand that. Because like, that's an insane thing to go through when you're 16. Like, Juno in this movie.

Kat 11:09

Yeah, sorry. I'm trying to think of other things because there's some stuff like, so I started writing it down when I was like, first started watching it. Like, I watched it at my desk, I was like, working on some stuff, like watching it, because like, I've seen it before. I don't need to 100% focus in on it. So I was like, taking notes. And then I like went and, like, I took my iPad, and I was folding laundry. And so I didn't have notes for like, the last half of it. That thing when you're a teenager where like, you know, there's an adult who is like, into the same things as you, where you just like, really want to, like, show off that, like, you know what you're talking about?

Ryley 11:44

You want to be cool,

Kat 11:45

You know, yeah, it's that's as a teenager, I was like, oh, I want I want to be Juno. And now I'm like, I understand why Juno was doing that because, you know, she, she wanted to seem cool, she's a fucking teenager. He's a cool adult.

Ryley 11:59

She's a teenager, she's naive. She- yeah, she wants to impress an adult that she thinks is cool. And to impress them like it. It's a very teenage thing to do. And I have no judgment towards a teenager doing that. It's when the adult, when the adult starts indulging it and

Kat 12:18

Like when they watch the, you know, it starts, they watch the movies, and then

Ryley 12:22

they're hanging out listening to the CDs. Well, the slow dancing things, just I it's disgusting. It's just not fun, but like, it's just, yeah, that's, that's the only- that's the thing about that movie. And I'm really glad they showed it because I think it's a good good way to show like when, because she's just a teenager like it's

Kat 12:39

yeah, you know, What's a funny juxtaposition between like? Juno and Hard Candy.

Ryley 12:48

Yeah. Juno was like way tamer.

Kat 12:50

Yeah, but it's like, all I can think of is Hard Candy in this moment.

Ryley 12:54

Yeah, exactly.

Kat 12:57

But anyway, that's I think that's about all I have to say. I'm sure when you read the reviews something else will come up. But you know that I it's just one of those movies that like, it makes you it's a feel good movie, but you know, you also feel you feel sad, but you feel good like it. It's one of those movies where it seems like everyone's doing what's best for them at the end.

Ryley 13:23

Right. Exactly.

Kat 13:25

Also, I love LB.

Ryley 13:27

LB?

Kat 13:29

Liberty Bell.

Ryley 13:29

Oh my god. I forget she doesn't have a single line. But she's I just I love how Allison Janney's character was like she's not the brightest bulb in the box. Or like something like that.

Kat 13:42

She's not the brightest bulb in the tanning bed.

Ryley 13:44

Oh my god. It's so funny. So funny. I love it.

Kat 13:48

Yes.

Ryley 13:48

I love that movie. I think it's so funny. Like, yeah, the lingo is dorky. But like, I think that's part of it. I think that's part of it.

Kat 13:56

Yeah, adults watching that movie when it came out, were like, these are just the you know, it's just dorky teenagers, they're just being teenagers.

Ryley 14:02

Yeah, dorky teenagers saying weird stuff. And I was a teenager going, I wanna talk just like that. No, but.

Kat 14:09

like, for real or like, for real for real.

Ryley 14:12

I'm not even kidding. I talk like that now.

Kat 14:15

Oh, like the first like, swear to blog.

Ryley 14:21

It's like, it's so dorky. It's funny, like it still holds up in its own way now. Yeah. I still find it enjoyable.

Kat 14:29

No teenager is cool.

Ryley 14:31

No, and to and to think that is don't just don't like if you're a teenager now. Go ahead. But like, in a few years, you'll see you'll- in a few years, you'll see

Kat 14:40

You'll- even if you were like, you know, just pretty like normal. You didn't embarrass yourself. You're gonna look back on something that you know, maybe you did alone. And you're gonna be like, Wow, I was. That was that was Wow.

Ryley 14:52

If you think you were cool during your high school phase, then I'm sorry to tell you this like you, you're probably not cool now.

Kat 15:00

You might have been- you might have been cool in high school, but like,

Ryley 15:07

That's called peaking.

Kat 15:09

Anyway.

Ryley 15:10

Anyway, let's get into it. I'm not kidding. There are hundreds of reviews for this movie. All them like not all of them but mostly, they're all pretty fair, pretty nice or like a lot of people liked this movie. They're generally good. But this one is by and I apologize for mispronouncing but this was one written by Yasmin Omar. This was in 2018. So this is very many years after the movie came out, but they're kind of describing it. And they start off by going "it's almost unfathomable that Juno, the indie darling that launched Elliott Page's career celebrated its 10th anniversary last year. The off kilter comedy still packs a knockout punch it staunchy pro choice message in particular, is just as," here's a word "pertinent in 2018."

Kat 15:10

I think you got it?

Ryley 15:19

It doesn't sound wrong.

Kat 15:25

Yeah, that's- that's a word.

Ryley 15:27

Yeah. I think is. "The film sees the quirky fast talking journal Macduff. get pregnant by her part time lover full time friend Paulie Bleaker." I like that. Oh, part time lover. Full time fine. That's cute. I like how they put that in there. "Michael Cera at his most bumbling and adorable." He is he's he's pretty cute. He's just yeah, he's just there.

Kat 16:37

He's just a- He's just you know, a little dork.

Ryley 16:40

And he's sweet in this movie. "She toys with the possibility of abortion but ultimately decides to put up the baby for adoption. Selecting a fluent couple put together Jennifer Garner and laidback Jason Bateman to raise the child. Do you know sparked a," here's a word, veritable?

Kat 16:59

Veritable?

Ryley 17:00

"Veritable cultural explosion upon its release, resulting in a spike in hamburger phone sales on eBay and dedicated, dedicated line of Macduff inspired apparel at a US High Street retailer." I really want a hamburger phone after watching thatmovie.

Kat 17:15

I feel like you have wanted a hamburger phone since you watched this movie the first time

Ryley 17:19

I wanted it forgot about it. And now it's back in my head again. So I really want it.

Kat 17:23

It also you know it's slightly a Bob's Burgers thing too because they have a hamburger phone.

Ryley 17:27

That's right. They do. That's so cute.

Kat 17:29

Maybe that's like maybe they're you know, that's like a Juno thing.

Ryley 17:32

Yeah, it might be. Yeah, I think so. I think there can I think they're in the same universe.

Kat 17:37

Well, yeah, you know how obsessed like the writers are with just media in general, so probably.

Ryley 17:43

Yeah, I bet.

Kat 17:44

I mean, they're also- they also make burgers. So

Ryley 17:47

yeah

Kat 17:47

but, whatever, go on.

Ryley 17:51

"Honest to blog." That's just like, there's just one sentence in here. "The stripper turned screenwriter Diablo Cody, who causes quite a stir with her fake name and garish tattoos when collecting her Academy Award for Juno, can be credited with much of the film's enduring genius." I mean, like, Who do you think she wrote this? What do you- who do you think Juno came from? Like, it's obviously going to be a really cool, grown woman after this, you know, who wrote that character. It's like the dude in a suit.

Kat 18:20

And also the same mind that wrote Jennifer's Body, she knows she knows how to make slightly satirical stuff about whatever era that those movies are made in.

Ryley 18:30

Yeah, I just hate when people complain like, Oh, it's a woman. And she has tattoos. I'm like, what have you not seen that before? You so outraged that you've

Kat 18:41

It was like it was 2007 or eight at that point?

Ryley 18:44

It's not that long ago.

Kat 18:47

It wasn't but also, like, a lot has changed since then

Ryley 18:52

A lot has changed, Yeah, like steps have been taken. That's true.

Kat 18:55

Yeah.

Ryley 18:56

That's true.

Kat 18:56

Doesn't excuse anything, but like you know.

Ryley 18:58

No.

Kat 18:59

I'm not gonna blame the times, but also like,

Ryley 19:03

Yeah. Um, "her script sparkles with fresh hyper stylish dialogue, whose intelligence subtly sheds light on the interior lives of the characters who populate Junos off the universe. Cody's next movie, Charlize's Theron drama, Tully is set to hit the big screen next month.” Oh, this is back in 2018. So this has already come out. Sorry, guys.

Kat 19:25

Okay, so they probably did this review. As like, you know, a sort of

Ryley 19:31

Yeah.

Kat 19:31

Promotion for the next one.

Ryley 19:33

Kind of and like, it's also like, it's part of like this bigger thing. Yeah, tully. It's like, like 10 must see coming of age films, and they just wrote about this one a little bit.

Kat 19:44

Okay. Yeah.

Ryley 19:45

So it's like a review

Kat 19:45

I've come across a few of those.

Ryley 19:47

It's like positive still. It's like, you know, it's a it's a great quirky movie. And they do and this is probably one of the topics we didn't touch on yet. But at the beginning of this article, it mentions, "it's staunchly pro choice message in particular is just as pertinent in 2018." So, because I remember, like, people were bringing up this issue, and I can see why they were bringing up this issue because a lot, a lot of people are arguing like, no, it's a pro choice movie and a lot of people are saying, No, it's advocating pro life.

Kat 20:22

No one's forcing her to keep the baby. Like,

Ryley 20:25

She chose.

Kat 20:25

There's the- yeah, there's she. She saw both of our options like that is the point of pro choice like she she had the option to get an abortion, but she chose to keep the baby like it's her choice. She's not nothing about Juno says pro life.

Ryley 20:39

No. And a lot -well, a lot of people

Kat 20:41

They make fun of pro lifers.

Ryley 20:43

That's, that's the whole thing. There's that dorky girl outside the- "It has fingernails." It's just like, it's like, I think that's where people got mad. So like, Oh, that girl changed Junos mind and like, no.

Kat 20:58

No, she did not.

Ryley 20:59

She didn't.

Kat 20:59

She literally a 16 year old who had to go by herself to get an abortion.

Ryley 21:04

Yeah. And Elliot Page even like mentions, like, I like I get really like, I actually have their quote, let me pull it up real quick. But like, someone was mentioning, pro life. And he said, "that's just not true. To me is not a political film. I never thought about that when we were making it. Sometimes I even forget she's pregnant. The most important thing is the choice is there and the film completely demonstrates that. It allows a scene in an abortion clinic for goodness sake. A lot of films probably wouldn't do that." I totally agree.

Kat 21:41

Like especially you know, at that time

Ryley 21:44

Exactly like, yeah, exactly. And like, and again, this movie like is like yeah, Juno was pregnant through this movie, but that's not really what it's about. It's not really about the pregnancy. That's just

Kat 21:57

Yeah, it's just the underlying

Ryley 21:58

it's just a thing happening. yeah.

Kat 22:00

Storyline

Ryley 22:00

It's mostly about Juno growing up, really.

Kat 22:04

Yeah. Because if it were- if it were about the pregnancy, we wouldn't skip months at a time.

Ryley 22:09

Yeah.

Kat 22:10

Through her- through her pregnancy.

Ryley 22:11

Exactly.

Kat 22:12

You know, it's, it's about, you know, she's learning what, like, making the decision to give this baby up for adoption is and like how, you know, that's gonna affect her and these people that she's giving the baby to, like. The- Sue Chen, the protester from their high school. I just the- "all babies want to get borned."

Ryley 22:36

Yeah.

Kat 22:37

Is-I love that quote.

Ryley 22:38

All babies want to get born and like, she yells like it's

Kat 22:43

the her sign said no babies- "No babies, like murders." or something

Ryley 22:48

Yes. I'm like, just like that scene in general was like really committed to me because like, she was out there alone.

Kat 22:55

Yeah

Ryley 22:56

With her little sign. And she's not like screaming, she's not angry. She's just pretty mellow mix.

Kat 23:00

I don't think she's capable of it.

Ryley 23:01

I don't think she is either. I don't think and it's not- It's just like one of those things where like, it's just a very it's almost comedic, like how they show that, just that her and that people that stand on abortion clinics.

Kat 23:15

Yeah, the fact that like they chose like, in, you know, instead of putting an adult protester out there, it's like someone from her from Juno's high school.

Ryley 23:23

She knows her. She went, "hey"

Kat 23:24

She knows her. "Hey, Sue Chen." But yeah, like I think it- I think it takes -takes away the fact of like, like, there was any real pressure on her. It was just like someone being like, well, your baby has fingernails at this point. And she's like, Holy shit, that baby has fingernails. And you know, it's like it that's not her being like, Oh, well now I'm gonna choose to keep it because it's got fingernails.

Ryley 23:28

Yeah, exactly. It's like, I don't know. It's it's pro choice. Juno was gonna get the abortion. She changed her mind and she was able to walk no one forced her keep the baby that's what she chose is supposed to be in case anyone gets confused about that.

Kat 24:04

Yes.

Ryley 24:05

I'm gonna go ahead and move on to the negative critic review.

Kat 24:09

Okay.

Ryley 24:10

It is from a website called timeout.com It is by Wally Hammond. He wrote this in 2007. So right when the movie came out, he gave it two out of five stars for this.

Kat 24:22

Interesting.

Ryley 24:23

"Don't look to Jason Reitman's multi Oscar nominated second film for tell it how it is window on teenage pregnancy nor a two finger salute to the anti abortion right."

Kat 24:33

I just the part that's getting me is the two finger salute to the anti abortion Right so I-

Ryley 24:34

I don't know what that means. I don't know what they're trying to say.

Kat 24:41

Are they trying to say that it's like not a pro choice movie?

Ryley 24:46

It's nor-

Kat 24:46

Oh wait okay, it's

Ryley 24:48

a two finger salute to the anti abortion right. So I guess he's saying it's not.

Kat 24:52

Oh, so they're the it is not pro life. It is pro choice. And they're saying-

Ryley 24:57

I'm assuming

Kat 24:59

That's- that's I feel like they're just being pretentious.

Ryley 25:03

They're being super pretentious. When they write this. It's like they write it. So like, it's like how people write in college it's like you're not right. It's like when they give you articles to read in college, I'm like, this isn't in English. Like, I don't understand what this. I don't know what this person's point is. And this is how the sentence is right off the bat for me, I don't know what they're talking about.

Kat 25:21

Yeah, that's me when I'm doing my creative writing approach to journaling. Where it's like, it doesn't make any fucking sense. And I'm like, yeah, this is my word of the day. I'll put it in here.

Ryley 25:32

Yeah, it's like, I just hate. I just hate how people write sometimes. And it just your point isn't made. It just makes it messy. And I don't like it

Kat 25:41

It was like the, oh, sorry. Okay. We were when we were, I was rewatching. Another attempt at an episode that we had made in the past. And there was just like, I remember there's two words in one of one review. One of them was like some French word that I had never heard of before. And the other one was just like a very fancy word for sequence of events. And I- we spent like five minutes trying to figure out what the like I was, what fuck the word is

Ryley 26:10

I think I remember that.

Kat 26:11

Why they chose to use it like

Ryley 26:13

I know we- Was that the one we like, actually Googled, like, what does this mean?

Kat 26:16

Yeah, I Googled, I googled the definition and how to pronounce it, because I was like that. This cannot be a real word. They're just making up words.

Ryley 26:16

And didn't it- Yeah, that's what it ended up being right?

Kat 26:19

No, it was that that's a different one

Ryley 26:23

Oh okay.

Kat 26:23

And but that one was

Ryley 26:28

But still that pr- Yeah.

Kat 26:30

That one was it was an actual word. They just you know, probably, I you know, maybe they knew this word, but I feel like they went on like a thesaurus. And were like, oh, that's that's a big flowery word. I'll use that. But anyway, carry on.

Ryley 26:43

That was just the first sentence of this dudes article and we just tore it to shreds. "Ignore too its Ghost World styled indie clothing." I don't understand this. I don't I don't like this person's writing.

Kat 26:55

Hold on. Let me oh, this is Hey, okay. Ghost World is like it looks like it looks like real life Daria kind of outfits. Starring.

Ryley 27:05

I mean, that makes sense. Yeah.

Kat 27:07

This seems like a movie that we should have watched as teenagers. Hold on. I'm sorry. I'm just I can't think of her name for the life of me. Oh, Scarlett Johansson. Scarlett Johansson is in this movie.

Ryley 27:16

Oh

Kat 27:17

It's from like 2001 so it you know they they they dress very similar to how

Ryley 27:22

Oh

Kat 27:22

like the Juno characters are dressed except you know I think Ghost World it looks a little more exaggerated.

Ryley 27:27

This will look yeah, that is something we definitely wouldn't watch had we known about it.

Kat 27:31

But, carry on.

Ryley 27:32

"Rising Star Elliot page dress down and knocked up admittedly gives a confident performance as the-" I'm gonna say a word. Ep anonymous.

Kat 27:43

You spell that for me? Because I don't know what is.

Ryley 27:45

e p o NYMOUS.

Kat 27:50

Eponymous- it why did that? okay, so I used the like a like pronunciation thing where it just says it to you. She sounds a little seductive. I didn't like that. Eponymous. Let's see what is actually probably should have looked at what this means. So like the namesake of something, or like they?

Ryley 28:07

It's like, okay, like the epitome. I don't know.

Kat 28:10

Sort of. That's what I thought the word was going to be. But well, you know, just

Ryley 28:16

Like I didn't know the word epitome.

Kat 28:19

Start the sentence over.

Ryley 28:21

I'm gonna skip that word. I'm just gonna keep reading over it. "Rising Star Elliott Page dress down knocked up because a confident performance as the... 16 year old put down Queen heroine with the impressive 70s era tastes stooges other stuff. But just as her supposedly countercultural profile looks," like in “like an assembly from a studios cultural dressing department. So does her endless series of screwball sharp quips clever quotes and wise before her years, aphorisms often seem to emanate from another body entirely, presumably that of a devilish scriptwriter and ex-pussy ranch blockbuster. Diablo Cody.”

Kat 29:05

What? Oh, hold the phone.

Ryley 29:08

Yeah.

Kat 29:08

Hold the- When was this? You said this was written in 2008

Ryley 29:12

Yeah, 2007 This was written in 2007.

Kat 29:15

2007 okay. Oh, that was a lot of just pure misogyny.

Ryley 29:21

That's what I kind of got from like, the more

Kat 29:25

like I figured that the negative reviews of this where we're gonna be kind of misogynistic.

Ryley 29:30

There was one oh my god, I'll get to it. But like, Yeah, this is just- "very beautiful and very mean like Diana Ross quote from movie is how Juno describes the Roman god for whom she is named. How funny highschool and 16 is that?"

Kat 29:45

Listen, dude, I don't know if you've talked to a teenager, if they are into something or someone tells them about something. They are going to make their opinions about it. It's very clear that Juno listens to old music. So of course, a reference to Diana Ross would make sense like it's not out of this world for a teenager to be into it old stuff.

Ryley 30:00

It's not and it's also like not out of this world for a teenager just to be I don't know

Kat 30:05

To be witty

Ryley 30:05

Just to be intelligent. Yeah, exactly.

Kat 30:07

Yeah.

Ryley 30:07

It's not out of this world there are very smart teenagers who would surprise you about what they do know. "Most you can say about you know, giving you can ignore the film's air, a contrivance, self consciousness and cake and eat it attitude to social and moral issues is that-" it is at least "it at least tries to inject some wit and engagement into the tired teen coming of age comedy."

Kat 30:31

It was 2007 that genre was not tired

Ryley 30:33

It No- not at all my god. T"he directions surprisingly for the supposedly edgy material is conventional, but the acting offers compensations. Allison Janney and JK Simmons, a step mom and sympathetic dad, are engaging despite their parts being rather obvious counter caricatures. And Michael Cera is sweet and believable as geeky impregnator Pauly." I don't think they're obvious counter caricatures. I

Kat 31:01

It's also a comedy. It's also a comedy

Ryley 31:02

I think they're refreshing. It's a comedy and also like, I love those characters. And I don't think we see enough of those characters in movies like, I'm sorry, supportive parents, a supportive stepmother like, Well, where else do you see that?

Kat 31:17

There's only like a blip of like, you know, like, it's Juno's dad is supportive, but still, you know, is a parent, you know, is like, you know, he throws in that thing about like, Oh, I didn't think that you would be one to give it up that fast or whatever, how he says it. And, you know, he has his little, his little, you know, Dad

Ryley 31:38

He's angry

Kat 31:39

Stuff, you know,

Ryley 31:40

He's mad.

Kat 31:40

He's still, he's still a parent, but like,

Ryley 31:42

Yeah he's disappointed.

Kat 31:44

You know, there are parents that understand that if you try and push your kid too far into something, that they're gonna resent you for it. Like, that's just all it is. Like, they're just, they just happen to be understanding parents. And, you know, this critic just didn't understand that parents can be understanding and like, positive influence in their kid's life.

Ryley 32:03

And I don't think that's cheesy. I don't think I don't think it's a caricature.

Kat 32:06

No.

Ryley 32:07

And like, it's one of those things too. Like, I think this movie understood, like, parents that understood the situation. Like, it's one of those things where like, well, you can't, what are you going to do ground her for getting pregnant? It's like, what scream, throw her out? Like, it's one of those things, and she chose, it's like one of those things where they even brought up like, did you think of it that alternative? She's like I did, and I don't want to and I like, okay. And the step mom's like, well, we need get you healthy. We'll make doctor's appointments, you need to take vitamins. She steps in, and she's like, Okay,

Kat 32:34

we're gonna Yeah, like if we don't want to give somebody an unhealthy baby.

Ryley 32:37

Yeah, exactly. And like, also, like, take care of her and her health

Kat 32:41

Take care of yourself.

Ryley 32:41

And it's just one of those mature things like, yeah, they're disappointed. Yeah, they're upset. It's like, well, what are you going to do? Other than move forward?

Kat 32:51

Yeah, like the, I'm not a dad. So I can't say this, for sure. But you know, like, from what I've seen, and from dads I know, like, you know, they- no dad wants to, like, know, that their kid is like their daughter, especially because, you know, there's that dynamic, that they're sexually active. You know, like, of course, he's gonna be like, weird about it. And it's like, you know, your kid doesn't want to let you know that. But Juno unfortunately, had to.

Ryley 33:22

Yeah.

Kat 33:23

There's only one way to get pregnant. And I mean, there's not one way but like, there's only one way to accidentally get pregnant.

Ryley 33:30

At 16. Yeah.

Kat 33:31

At 16. Like she- Juno was not doing like in in IVF treatments or anything.

Ryley 33:37

No.

Kat 33:37

Like this was an accident.

Ryley 33:39

Yeah, that's the whole thing. It's Yes she didn't purposely get pregnant.

Kat 33:43

Yeah, I'm sorry that they wrote good parents and that to you, that's not something you've seen. And you didn't think was possible. And you assume that a positive, healthy parent/child relationship, you know, with still reality and there is a caricature of parenting. But like, I don't, I don't know. I didn't think they were that like, outlandish. Like they were acting wasn't like, over the top. And it wasn't like, caricatures. It was just like this fun little witty family.

Ryley 34:13

Yeah.

Kat 34:13

Like, they're- It's literally a fictional family.

Ryley 34:16

And it's like, and that's the thing too, is like, it's like, they're not perfect, they're not a perfect family.

Kat 34:22

Exactly. Like they have the reality in there,

Ryley 34:22

That if they're there, you know, they fight, they yell, they're disappointed in some of each other, but they're, they're functioning, you know, they understand like, this is life, and-

Kat 34:37

Yeah, they know where the line is.

Ryley 34:38

But I'm gonna move on to some other ones. And like we always do, I'll start with like, pretty high one pretty high rated one, 9 out of 10 called "complex" Came out in- They wrote this in 2009. And they wrote, "when I first heard about this little film, I wasn't particularly interested in being a high school teacher. I wasn't impressed with the idea of seeing Movie concerning a teenage mother, believe me, I know enough of them already. However, on a lark, I decided to finally watch the film, almost two years after it debut-ded.

Kat 35:09

Debuted

Ryley 35:10

And in hindsigh- debuted, why put the ad at the end? Debut. "And in hindsight, I should have just gone and seen the film when it came out. As unlike my assumption, it was not really a glorification of teen pregnancy, but a very complex film, a film with a lot of different messages and possible interpretations. This is definitely not a by the numbers formulaic film, there's a lot that is original and new. And if you were worried that the film would be pro-teen pregnancy, or abortion, or whatever, and it might offend you, don't think that way. The film was great for anyone conservative or liberal, alike. And it might just be an excellent film for you to see with your teens. Excellent, simple and very effective."

Kat 35:58

i Yeah, I agree with what they're saying. I don't I don't think that unless you know, you're just a 14 year old that's like, if I get pregnant, I'll have a whole Juno's situation. But you know, I don't think that's something that's inherently going to happen. Like, it's not. It's not saying that like, Oh, this is so cool that Juno got pregnant. Isn't this so cool? It's like, No, this Juno has to learn life lessons through this pregnancy.

Ryley 36:23

That's what I thought. So like, I watched this while I was 12. I love the movie. But I was like, I never wanted to be pregnant. Because like I this movie did- that movie did not glorify, even when I was younger, did not glorify pregnancy to me. It was something very scary and stressful, and in Juno, and I even knew this when I was young, like, like, the movie sets it up in a very easy way where she finds the perfect family or quote unquote, perfect family to adopt her baby. And that doesn't happen in real life at all. You don't find a rich family just that's going to take your baby once you give birth to it. Yeah, that doesn't happen. But what's-

Kat 37:06

Not super often

Ryley 37:07

No, not super often like it just normally. That's not normally how it works.

Kat 37:12

Yeah, private adoptions are a thing.

Ryley 37:14

They are. Well, here's the thing, there wouldn't be so many kids in the foster care system, if it were so easy to just define a good family for it to go to. But the whole thing is like so they mentioned like, oh, this movie isn't pro teenage pregnancy. There was a thing in like, 2008, right after this movie came out where these girls at some high school made a pact to all get pregnant so they could all have babies together.

Kat 37:37

I remember that.

Ryley 37:38

And they called it the Juno effect. And whether that had whether they saw the movie and like, we're like, oh, yeah, we gotta get pregnant. It's I don't think that's a thing. And if it were, it was only a handful of kids, dumb kids. I'm sorry. Who-

Kat 37:54

Yeah.

Ryley 37:54

Somehow glorified that? I don't think this movie glorifies teen pregnancy whatsoever.

Kat 37:59

I could I could be wrong. But I don't think at any point in this movie did Juno want to raise this baby.

Ryley 38:05

No, that's the whole thing. She never says I want to keep this baby. She chooses Yeah, have the baby always intends for someone else to take care of it.

Kat 38:14

Yeah, even even when we don't know if you know, she actually gives the baby to Vanessa. Like, it's still it's still not a situation where Juno is keeping this baby.

Ryley 38:25

Yeah.

Kat 38:25

Like, and also the one of the things that like made me cry. And this is kind of a little off topic. But whenever, like, Juno's dad just like leans over. And is like, one day, you'll get to choose to do this on your own terms. And like, I was like, oh god.

Ryley 38:40

You're gonna start making me cry now because that's when I started.

Kat 38:43

Yeah, well, it's I just, you know, debt dads being good dads

Ryley 38:46

Yeah

Kat 38:46

Always makes me cry.

Ryley 38:47

That's why I love this movie. Like, he's a great dad. Like, and

Kat 38:50

Yeah you don't see that a lot.

Ryley 38:51

You don't see that a lot. And that's why it's why I love the parents in this movie. And for anyone to like, criticize these, those characters like makes me angry.

Kat 38:59

Yeah, and I think like, you know, I- this movies, not like, Easy A, but like, just to compare the parents where it's like, you know, you have like, these comedic parents who are very supportive and are like, you know, just showing people that like, you can parent like this, you know, you can- It like it actually, you know, what, Olive and Juno are kind of similar.

Ryley 39:23

Yeah.

Kat 39:24

like, Olive from Easy A and Juno, you know, like, they, they're wise beyond their years. Like, they're, you know, they're just witty teenagers who are in a situation that like, they don't want to be in and they, you know, they make they make the decision to handle it, how they want to, and their parents are there to support them through it and still give like, you know, parent like advice for the situations without being pushy, you know, it's just kind of that thing where it's like, it's more it's more common now. But at that point, it was like an involved dad and like a mother who had left and a

Ryley 39:54

Amazing stepmom

Kat 39:54

Amazing stepmom who had come in like

Ryley 39:57

A protective stepmom like, I mean, very Like, amazing, just, oh my god, Allison Janney. I love you.

Kat 40:04

If anyone if anyone's wanting to become a stepmom one day.

Ryley 40:06

Be like Alison Janney.

Kat 40:08

Be like Brenda. Okay.

Ryley 40:09

But the other thing I wanted to say before we moved on, it was like Juno never wanted to be pregnant in the first place. It was an accident. So to say like this is a glorification of teen pregnancy, Juno, never wanted to be pregnant, she was gonna get an abortion. The whole point of this was it was an accident, it was never planned. It was never a thing. Oh, one of my favorite Allison Jane quotes from this movie is when the dads like "how did this happen?" After Juno tells them she got pregnant. And Allison Janney goes, "I think she's a teenager. She got bored." And I'm like, of course.

Kat 40:40

Yeah, I loved I loved that because it wasn't like, oh, like Juno's promiscuous. It was like, literally she's a

Ryley 40:46

She's a teenager.

Kat 40:46

A bored teenager.

Ryley 40:47

She's a teenager like, what else do you want?

Kat 40:49

It fucking happens.

Ryley 40:49

Yeah it happens. And unfortunately, she got caught. Like, essentially, like, that's what happened. She has evidence of it. And, you know, unfortunately, but that was that one, which I thought was a pretty good review. I'm gonna read you. Probably one of my favorites. And it's- stop me when you catch on. Okay.

Kat 41:11

Okay, is this a negative review?

Ryley 41:12

It's a very negative view. It's a one out of 10 it's called "offensive and stupid." This is in 2018

Kat 41:19

Interesting. Interesting. Okay, let's see where this goes.

Ryley 41:21

So they took it in like part so it starts with characters first. And it says "Not a single character is believable. The dialogue is terrible. And so are all the actors, you get a more convincing performance out awaiting some blocks of wood in front of a camera." Okay, you know, I read this I was like, okay, that's your opinion. I don't know how you have that opinion. But okay, I thought all the performances were performances were amazing in this movie. Okay, then they go to sights and sounds, which I don't know how Okay, "the cinematography is really boring. Everything looks as cheap as you can make live action. For some reason half the sets look like green screen. The visual quality itself isn't even that great. What little music there is is bland and forgettable." And that's why I was like what little music This thing was-

Kat 42:06

Did they- did they watch a different movie?

Ryley 42:10

Let's continue. Cuz it gets better.

Kat 42:13

Okay.

Ryley 42:13

So hold on.

Kat 42:14

Okay.

Ryley 42:15

And then they get to the story. "The story is really really boring. It may be unpredictable, but that's because it's hard to tell what's going to happen because the plot is such a mess. Is the mom going to make a race joke?" And this is wher I was like the mom? what race joke? What the stepmom? what what did Allison Janney say? So they go they say that and they go "oh, she did wasn't expecting that but it was boring and offensive. Is a teacher going to be sexist?" What teacher what teacher spoken this movie? What are you talking about? And they go on, "didn't see that coming because it's not funny or interesting. So why is it there? Oh look a whole subplot making fun of gay people." What gay people are in this movie? What movie are you talking about? And I think I know what it is I'm gonna continue reading I want you to see if you guess it because I don't I don't I'm not sure if I'm positive on this but I'm just keep going.

Kat 43:10

the title has to be similar to Juno or something

Ryley 43:13

Because underneath the Juno reviews and I know this there they didn't this is not the right movie for this

Kat 43:21

keep going give me more clues.

Ryley 43:22

"I'm offended, bored and mildly surprised. he movie could have worked if it understood how shocking-" or what- "If they understood how shock humor was. Every joke, I'm assuming that they were supposed to be jokes as this is listed as a comedy, is designed to offend someone for most my minorities to teachers to parents to teenagers to anyone with some level of basic intelligence. I got about half or two thirds of the way through this morning. I got to the scene where the main character and the gay character are jumping on the bed pretending to have sex at a party while half the class listens."

Kat 43:57

This is fucking Easy A. This is Easy A This is literally- this is literally Easy A no this- this is their they wrote a review- they- i- It's so fucking funny that I just mentioned Easy A.

Ryley 44:07

Yes!

Kat 44:07

Because they literally just wrote a review.

Ryley 44:10

Cause I'm pretty sure that's what they.

Kat 44:11

I don't think Easy A not that fucking offensive. And I have never heard anyone really like you know, maybe there's like some- some comments that would not fly.

Ryley 44:21

Today.

Kat 44:21

You know, and like, but this is not-

Ryley 44:24

I was reading this and I got more and more confused as I was reading. I was like, what are they talking? What gay characters? I'm sorry? There's I'm sorry, Juno Oh, but like they don't have a lot of gay charcaters. They don't have any gay characters in that movie.

Kat 44:37

Yeah They don't have that any.

Ryley 44:37

I was really confused. I'm like what? What are you talking about? Oh my god.

Kat 44:42

No, that is 100% Easy A.

Ryley 44:44

And I found that so funny. It was so funny.

Kat 44:44

I think the the only time that race is mentioned with the parents is when they the kid the the the adopted son is like I Why would that affect me? I'm adopted. And then they're like Who told you? And that's it. That's it. Like, that's the only like, offensive thing that the it's not even offensive. It's just like it's just, it's just a joke about him being adopted. Also the teachers being sexist in that movie. That's kind of part of

Ryley 45:13

the thing.

Kat 45:13

The thing.

Ryley 45:14

That's part of the plot. Like, they're supposed to be sexist so the character can overcome it or something.

Kat 45:20

Did you think- did you think you were watching a documentary? What the fuck where you watching?

Ryley 45:24

That's the thing. I hate when people take movies literally. I'm like, no, that's supposed to happen. Because it's it's affecting the character in a certain way. I just hate when people just miss the point of things I just hate it.

Kat 45:36

You know, I think we've talked about this before, like when you watch something with friends, and like you kind of groupthink an idea about it, and then you go watch it alone. And you're like, oh, none of that was a thing.

Ryley 45:46

Yeah.

Kat 45:47

Like I don't I don't know if this person watched it with other people. But it's like they they stuck in their head that this this is or like maybe someone told them that this movie was offensive. So they had to go watch it and write a review and like pick up only on the things that might be offensive. Like they're already you know, there's some gay stereotypes in there and like, you know, it, it's not the most like,

Ryley 46:09

like PC?

Kat 46:10

Like you know it. Yeah. But like, it's not so terribly like it's not as terribly offensive as they're making it seem, at least with like the stuff that I picked up on. Maybe they picked up on something else that I wasn't noticing. Like, I'm sure there was some. There were probably like, some microaggression-type jokes made in it for sure. Like you, you're already on the wrong movie.

Ryley 46:32

Yeah.

Kat 46:34

You're tearing Easy A to shreds.

Ryley 46:36

Yeah.

Kat 46:36

And like that. It is not it is not as problematic as they're making it out to seem.

Ryley 46:44

Yeah, I don't remember. I don't remember that movie very well. But I you know, I'm assuming it's just I just found it so funny. Because I was reading I was thinking they watched Juno, and I was so confused.

Kat 46:56

Yeah.

Ryley 46:56

The more I read, I was like, What are they talking about? Oh my god. I'm gonna count that as the first one out of 10. Because I find it very funny.

Kat 47:04

That's no, that is so funny. I just think it's a hilarious coincidence that I had brought up Easy A a second ago

Ryley 47:10

Yeah, well, they are. And like you said, like, there's similarities. Definitely. So it's probably why this person got confused.

Kat 47:17

This makes me think that they did not watch this movie.

Ryley 47:20

Yeah. I'll go ahead and read some more. This is also one out of 10. This was way shorter. They titled it "overrated unflattering and realistic." And they wrote this in 2017. So it was more recent than not. This is one. This is one the worst films. That's how they wrote it. "This is one of the worst films I've ever seen. I don't know why it's popular. Skinny, dorky, teenage boys don't even get the opportunity to hold hands with girls unless they're rich. Let alone have sex with pretty girls. So Juno wanting anything to do with poly is unbelievable." So we have a incel writing some movie reviews.

Kat 47:57

I was about to say I was like this this. This is either someone with like, this is either

Ryley 48:02

A nice guy.

Kat 48:04

It's either a nice guy or like a very bitter misandrist.

Ryley 48:10

What what is that?

Kat 48:11

Basically like the opposite of misogyny. Like it's, you know, like, attacking, not attacking. It's just like, you know, making fun of men.

Ryley 48:19

I think that's funny. I love me.

Kat 48:22

You know, it's their turn.

Ryley 48:24

It's their turn.

Kat 48:25

Like if this was an INCEL like, you know, it might be categorized as misandry to make fun of them, but like

Ryley 48:30

I don't care.

Kat 48:31

You know that's.

Ryley 48:31

This is the first time I've heard that word and I don't care. I don't care.

Kat 48:34

Yeah.

Ryley 48:36

That's an incel.

Kat 48:37

But that's that is that seems like this. This might be an Incel and

Ryley 48:43

I just love how that you hate this movie is unbelievable because Michael Cera had sex with Juno. That's the part where he's like, this is on believable this is this is unrealistic.

Kat 48:54

What they said about like, you know, the skinny dorky boy doesn't get to hold hands with girls. Have you been? Have you ever been to high school? Like, all the band kids were like- Like there were a lot of skinny dorky boys from band that always had girlfriends. You know, or always had a partner of some sort. Like they they just

Ryley 49:12

Yeah.

Kat 49:13

It's not it-

Ryley 49:13

There's something wrong with you.

Kat 49:15

That's not a thing.

Ryley 49:15

If you if you're a skinny dorky guy who never holds hands with a girl, I'm just gonna say it. There's something wrong with you. It's not how you look.

Kat 49:22

It might be a p- It might be a personality thing.

Ryley 49:23

It's the personality. I'm gonna tell you right now it's a personality thing. It's the personality thing.

Kat 49:27

because some of those some of those skinny, dorky however, they described them guys from our high school were their personalities weren't great, but like that, you know, obviously might have been a little better than this.

Ryley 49:42

This guy. Yeah.

Kat 49:42

Audience member. Yeah.

Ryley 49:44

It's gonna tell you something. Yeah, that's the whole thing if you- it's not how you look, it's how you act, there's something wrong with you. I'm just gonna say it.

Kat 49:51

Yeah, like this. I could be wrong, but it seems like they might be projecting a little bit, so.

Ryley 49:57

They are a little bit, too. They wrote a little bit more. "Juno's reaction to being pregnant by a dork" still going hard on Pauly Bleeker.

Kat 50:06

This is either an alpha male or an incel. And the step between those two is not very far.

Ryley 50:12

"Juno's reaction to being pregnant by dork at 16 is ludicrous. She takes the news calmly, as though it's nothing. First she casually decides to have an abortion then casually changes her mind to have the baby adopted with less emotion than most people expend on deciding what to wear or eat today." I don't- I disagree. I I also like it's a comedy dude, do you want her to burst into tears on the floor? Like what do you want her to do? Like, she's obviously shocked. She's you know, she's taking you she's doing her thing, what the character would do. Her character obviously took three pregnancy tests because she didn't believe that she was pregnant

Kat 50:50

Fucking chugged Sunny D just to be able to pee more. Was at the end of the review?

Ryley 50:55

That was the end of the review. That's the two things they want to talk about that was overrated, unfunny and unrealistic. The fact that she that someone who looks like Michael Cera had sex with a girl, and that Juno's reaction wasn't up to his par.

Kat 51:11

You know, I am leaning a little bit away from alpha and- not alpha- incel and a little bit more towards alpha. Of all the things to point out as inaccurate in this movie, you pick just the coupling? Like have you never seen the like, no, Juno's not. Juno is a little weird, you know, in the grand scheme of a high school like I, you know, probably, I would have been friends with Juno.

Ryley 51:35

Yeah, we would definitely have been friends with Juno.

Kat 51:37

Do you? Like do you know what high school couples look like? They look like the typical like weird dorky people couple

Ryley 51:43

90% of them are all ugly. They're all ugly.

Kat 51:46

Yeah.

Ryley 51:47

They're all just, they're teenagers. They're ugly.

Kat 51:49

They're fucking teenagers. They they only have so many options. Like, if anything, like the movie already subverts the whatever narrative this person has in their head about how dating works.

Ryley 52:00

Yeah.

Kat 52:01

And is like, just the fact that she's her best friend as a cheerleader. Like the like, you know, like it's people can be- I don't know.

Ryley 52:01

People can be friends with the it's not, it's not like-

Kat 52:13

High school is not clicky it's not really that clicky like, unless you went to a shitty high school

Ryley 52:18

people, people are friends with other people. And it's not just clicks. It's it's random.

Kat 52:22

It's usually like the popular people mostly hang out with each other.

Ryley 52:26

And then everyone else kind of knows each other and hangs out

Kat 52:29

We intermingle and-

Ryley 52:30

It's an intermingling. Yeah. That's how it works. It's not a big deal. It's really not.

Kat 52:35

Yeah like sure people gravitate towards people who like are similar to them. But like you still, like I used to, you can-

Ryley 52:41

Still you know each other's names you still you'll pay now at some point with each other like, but here's the next one. This is also a one out of 10. And the type this is my favorite title of all of them. It just says "I feel empty." Which I'm like, I'm sorry, then maybe the I don't think that's the movie's fault. But this was written in 2020. So this is probably the most recent one we've read so far. "I went into Juno with low expectations." Well, there you go. I don't know what to tell you. "I didn't really like the humor in it, nor how it started out. To make this something brief. I guess was what they were trying to say.

Kat 52:41

They were obviously in a hurry.

Ryley 53:17

Yeah.

Kat 53:17

You're being rude and they were in a hurry.

Ryley 53:20

"To make this something brief. Let's point out the ugly. The main characters persona gets pretty dull and annoying after a few dozen minutes. The entire idea of the movie advertises for a very contradictive (not the good kind of contradiction) theme. But also nothing feels in place." What about it is contradict?

Kat 53:44

I feel like this is a person maybe who was not the intended audience for this movie.

Ryley 53:50

Yeah, I feel like anyone who absolutely did not like this movie. It probably wasn't made for them. If they find the main character or the main humor, this will be annoying that it's like it probably wasn't for you

Kat 53:50

Literally a coming of age teen story.

Ryley 53:51

Yeah. If you're 50 and watching this and not getting it. That's probably that's probably like,-

Kat 54:10

well, you know, like

Ryley 54:10

The point.

Kat 54:11

Coming of age movies might not be your cup of tea. I understand that. But it's like, maybe you should recognize that in yourself.

Ryley 54:18

Yeah, like, don't watch don't watch coming of age movies. If you don't seem to like them very much.

Kat 54:25

Yeah. Because the you know, I'll like all the coming of age movies. The main characters are, you know, they like I you know, I loved you know, but like, if I were to meet Juno as an adult, and Juno was a teenager I'd be like, Dude, shut Shut up.

Ryley 54:39

Oh, no, I like I get it. Like if this was a real person, it's a teenager they're annoying.

Kat 54:44

Yeah, like any of the teenagers for the most part from any Coming of Age movie that I've seen him like, I you would be fun for a little bit and then I would probably get annoyed with you, but like, whatever. It's it's a fucking movie. It's a movie. It's about them.

Ryley 54:56

Yeah, exactly.

Kat 54:58

But yeah, I don't know. I don't know. If it's just you know, that we we liked this movie, we grew up watching this movie, this movie contributed to like, you know, our own inner personal ideals of like, you know how we wanted to be at one point and like how it shaped our personalities in some way. So like

Ryley 55:15

Oh yeah, definitely.

Kat 55:16

You know if someone's, if this if this reviewer is an adult, like a full grown adult watching this for the first time in 2020, you know, maybe this wasn't for you, but like, you know, if you grew up watching movies like Juno, and you love movies like Juno, you will probably like it.

Ryley 55:31

That's the whole thing like, my parents liked this movie. They they got it. I'm sorry, you can't get it like, it's not- yeah.

Kat 55:40

It's just a heartfelt comedy about coming of age story. Like, that's whatever, everyone's entitled to their opinion, I'm not going to say that they're, they're wrong for disliking this movie. It's just not their cup of tea. And, you know, just hopefully, they stop watching coming of age movies.

Ryley 55:56

Yeah, cuz like, I'm tired of reading reviews going this is the worst movie ever. I'm like, it's really not like, I'm just gonna tell you right now it's not. But they continue and they say, "but also nothing feels in place. So many useless scenes, so many useless characters. And when you finish the movie, you will feel like you wasted an entire hour and a half of your life. Watching a teen get troubled around a single teenage issue."

Kat 56:20

If a scene wasn't plot driven in this movie, it was entertaining. You know, like, maybe this isn't your humor, maybe this just, you know, just, it seems like with a lot of these, it just boils down to this movie was not intended for you as an audience member, and you are entitled to voice your opinion that you didn't like it. But, you know, so are we.

Ryley 56:44

Yeah, exactly. Just okay, so we're going to continue. And this one's also one out of ten and this is probably my last negative one, and then I'll finish it off with a positive one. And this one's pretty long. So I'm just gonna paraphrase. I'm really just gonna read the first paragraph that you write. This one's called "the zipless pregnancy, a modern morality myth," and they made this in 2008. And they said, "let's face it, Juno gives basically the same message as the Oprah movie Where the Heart Is, and the slightly better dressed up, waitress."

Kat 57:14

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Have you ever seen where the heart is?

Ryley 57:19

No, I don't. I don't know what they're referring to.

Kat 57:21

It's this movie where, you know, young woman gets pregnant. And like she is like, just comes from like a lower income family. And like kind of her her boyfriend who got her pregnant is like really abusive. So she like, runs away from him and like hides and hides herself in a Walmart till it closes and gives birth to her baby in a Walmart.

Ryley 57:47

This is with Natalie Portman.

Kat 57:49

I think so. Yeah.

Ryley 57:51

I don't know for sure.

Kat 57:52

Yes.

Ryley 57:53

I've heard of it. I've heard of this movie before, like my mom's like, you need to watch it.

Kat 57:56

Yeah, this is one of those movies where my mom it was like we would watch Where the Heart is, Beaches, fried green tomatoes, Steel Magnolias. It's one of those. It's so I that movie, you know, it's way more drama than comedy.

Ryley 58:10

Yeah.

Kat 58:11

You know, it has its little every movie has little jokes in it.

Ryley 58:14

Yeah, already sounds like way more intense than Juno

Kat 58:16

Yeah, it's I don't know how to describe it other than just like, you know, it's it is a it is a heartfelt movie, but it is not a comedy. And it does not approach this subject in the same way as Juno at all. Like she She's young, but she's not a 16 year old who is choosing to give the baby up for adoption. She is a now single mother, who is young, and has to like, navigate life and figure out how she's gonna be able to provide for her daughter. Like it's a very different. It's a very different approach to like a young woman getting pregnant. Sorry, I just wanted to explain what that was.

Ryley 58:55

Yeah, no, I'm glad you did. Because like, I didn't know what they were referring to. And-

Kat 58:59

Just it was a it was a baseless comparison, in my opinion,

Ryley 59:02

It definitely sounds like because we're like, Juno is basically the same message as the Oprah movies. I'm like, no, because like Juno is- again, I'm gonna say this one more time. Juno is a growing up movie, not a pregnancy young teenage. Yeah, pregnancy is part of it.

Kat 59:20

The pregnancy is-it's just the inciting incident. And like I said, it's the underlying plot point.

Ryley 59:24

It's the underlying plot.

Kat 59:25

She is just happening to become more pregnant and have a baby by the end of it. But the biggest part of it is her journey through this whole thing

Ryley 59:34

Maturing and how- Yeah, exactly. That's yeah.

Kat 59:38

Yeah she's just figuring out what she wants

Ryley 59:41

Alright, and they say "despite that outward Napoleon Dynamite trappings and grey's anatomy chic music," I don't know even know what that's on.

Kat 59:48

Hold on. Hold on. Hold the fucking phone.

Ryley 59:50

They say Grey's Anatomy chic music.

Kat 59:53

So okay, I have watched Grey's Anatomy. I think I've seen seasons of Grey's Anatomy from around the time when this movie came out. These are very, very different soundtracks.

Ryley 1:00:05

I don't I've never heard anything else with Kimya Dawson music and- or something like Kimya Dawson music. I'm sure there are.

Kat 1:00:12

just to paint a picture for anyone who has not listened to the Juno soundtrack with like, even if you're not going to watch the fucking movie, just listen to the soundtrack. It's amazing.

Ryley 1:00:19

Yeah.

Kat 1:00:19

So you have you have the you have the Sonic Youth, The Velvet Underground, Kimya Dawson, older songs that are like, you know, like, not all of them are older, but like you, they're like the kind of thing that like a quirky, quirky teenager would listen to. The Grey's Anatomy soundtrack., the best thing- the best song I can use to describe it is the song how to save a life by the fray.

Ryley 1:00:45

Oh my God, that's not even. And that that is still even a stretch.

Kat 1:00:49

Like I don't know what kind of music this person listens to describe the Grey's Anatomy soundtrack as chic.

Ryley 1:00:54

Yeah, I am sorry, they pulled that out of their ass. I don't know what they're talking about. And so they're talking about this. "This is really a lifetime morality tell. The reason for all these films is to promote the idea of the alternative to abortion, and to make it as palatable as possible. They exist to sell the myth of the zipless pregnant." No, I agree. I'm agreeing with everything I just, "they exist to sell the myth of the zipless pregnancy one with no consequences." And like I understand, I understand how someone who wasn't paying attention to the movie could get there with this. Because yeah-

Kat 1:01:30

Did you watch the trailer?

Ryley 1:01:33

This is really what it sounds like they, it's just like when someone missed the complete point of the movie. Yeah, it's not the most realistic thing I've seen of a sixteen year old getting pregnant. But that's not the point of the movie, the point of the movie is growing up. Like that's the whole point. It's not about like, Oh, she's 16 and now she's gonna be a mom or she's trying- It's not about-

Kat 1:01:52

And that's what it just seems like with all these negative reviews that they didn't, either they, they watched it, and it was not- it clearly was not a movie that was intended for them as an audience member, or they didn't. They didn't fucking watch it, like.

Ryley 1:02:05

That's the only way I can think.

Kat 1:02:07

So like, it just seems like they're walking into this being like, Oh, this is made for Teen Girls, so inherently, it's going to be bad, and cheesy and awful. And I'm going to hate everything about it. You're being willfully ignorant about what is being like, what is the message here. And it's very clear that this message was not something, because you didn't pick up on the message, this movie was not intended for you.

Ryley 1:02:30

Exactly. Or you're just bad at watching movies. That's another thing too.

Kat 1:02:34

What do you close your eyes and plug your ears the whole time?

Ryley 1:02:37

Literally. That's how some people are writing these reviews. Like I feel like they just did that. And they're

Kat 1:02:40

Like the Easy A one.

Ryley 1:02:42

Yeah, exactly. I wasted an hour and a half of my life on this. I'm like, I don't know what to tell you then because like you chose to watch it. It's just one that's and that's why I'm not this person. It goes on and on and on. Like this is a long review and I'm only just gonna I'm not reading any more because it's just gonna be more of that.

Kat 1:03:00

You had one more positive one you said?

Ryley 1:03:03

I have ve one more positive one well, okay, I just ran across one positive one. That's really funny. They gave it a 10 out of 10. And it just said the title is they wrote this in 2020 It says "run" I guess they're referring to that like the runners in the movie. And all this person said was "I like the bit worried tictacs all the time."

Kat 1:03:26

Solid, you know, like fair enough

Ryley 1:03:29

You like what you like in a movie, 10 out of 10.

Kat 1:03:31

See, this person gets it, they get it.

Ryley 1:03:33

This person understands movies.

Kat 1:03:36

You know, they picked up on something, they stuck with it. And they chose to write a review about it. And you know, sometimes it's the other people it was like, their observations of how the world works. And this person just thinks it's cool that eats tictacs all the time.

Ryley 1:03:51

He liked the tic tac bit

Kat 1:03:52

Fair enough

Ryley 1:03:53

It's a good bit. Fair enough.

Kat 1:03:55

Fair enough, dude. Fair enough.

Ryley 1:03:57

That's the thing. I can't tear that apart. He likes it. I liked it, too. I thought that tic tac bit was great.

Kat 1:04:03

Yeah, you know how good orange tictacs are?

Ryley 1:04:05

They are they're pretty good. I prefer the mint ones though.

Kat 1:04:09

I just- they taste like how orange Skittles used to taste to me.

Ryley 1:04:14

Oh okay, nice.

Kat 1:04:16

Before they change something about orange Skittles and they're just not the same.

Ryley 1:04:20

Okay. I'm sorry.

Kat 1:04:22

Yeah, it was it was a real tough time for me when they did that. I you know, I don't think my opinion of those movies really changed from anything anyone's saying I thought it was kind of interesting that the whole like, the Jason Bateman's character and Juno thing never really got brought up that much.

Ryley 1:04:38

No, no one no not at all.

Kat 1:04:41

Because like, you know, like you said, like you you didn't like that it was in the summary because it's kind of a blip of a thing.

Ryley 1:04:45

it's a blip of that movie. That is

Kat 1:04:47

Yeah,

Ryley 1:04:48

hardly what it's about.

Kat 1:04:49

They like- it's kind of hidden under the fact that they that he wants a divorce from his wife and doesn't- isn't prepared to have a child and like they're not compatible anymore kind of thing and like-

Ryley 1:04:59

Yeah,

Kat 1:05:00

And Juno, trying to understand if true love is a real thing like it

Ryley 1:05:04

It's part of the movie. But that is not the summary of the movie. That is not the plot of the movie,

Kat 1:05:10

Which you can tell it's not by how much it's not mentioned

Ryley 1:05:13

It's not mentioned in the mo- or in the reviews.

Kat 1:05:16

Yeah, like, even when I was scrolling through, I think that's just like a because it's definitely inappropriate.

Ryley 1:05:22

Oh, yeah.

Kat 1:05:22

For sure

Ryley 1:05:23

It's uncomfortable. And

Kat 1:05:24

Yeah.

Ryley 1:05:25

Gross. And you're supposed to hate that character, obviously. But it's again.

Kat 1:05:31

Yeah.

Ryley 1:05:32

Something that happens in the movie, but it's not. It's a good thing that happens in the movie.

Kat 1:05:36

Yeah, it-

Ryley 1:05:37

Really.

Kat 1:05:37

It- I feel like they could have easily gone without it.

Ryley 1:05:42

Yeah, in a way. Like, I understand why they did it. Because like, I don't know. Like-

Kat 1:05:48

There were other ways to go about it.

Ryley 1:05:49

Exactly.

Kat 1:05:50

And still get to the same result.

Ryley 1:05:52

Yeah, exactly.

Kat 1:05:53

But like, yeah, I don't know why it just irks me that no one even mentions it. Like, in anything I've seen so far. Like, but yeah, because it's not a huge thing that happens. So I get why, but like, overall, I still like, you know, I love this movie. It's a it's a nostalgia thing. I also haven't watched it since high school. So it was nice seeing it through like a like an-, I feel weird calling myself an adult, like an adult lens, I guess. You know, someone who's been through high school and is far away from having been in high school to look back at this movie and kind of see what parts of it I kind of applied to myself and see what parts of it like I think of differently and see how much more I cried this time. But overall, I think this movie is a solid four out of five.

Ryley 1:06:50

I would I would probably give it the same review if not a five out of five because I do obviously for nostalgia reasons I do. I do love this movie because like I mean, it did somewhat shaped me too as a young teenager.

Kat 1:07:07

It doesn't have a whole lot of problems. I think the only people that had problems with this movie or thought it was bad,

Ryley 1:07:12

It wasn't for them in general.

Kat 1:07:12

Wasn't the target audience or the or when it came out they were not forward thinking enough about the subject matter.

Ryley 1:07:12

Exactly. Yeah, I, to this day, I still think it's a good movie. I still think it's fun. I still think it's funny. I shed tears during it. I think it's a good movie. Four out of five to be honest, but I think on a good day, it's five out of five. So I don't know, four out of five, I'll go I'll go with four out of five It's really good. It's really great. Highly suggest watching. You know, if you like dramadies, you'd like teen coming of age movies, you'll probably like this.

Kat 1:07:47

Yes, definitely. So after hearing all of what we've had to say, and what some of the audience members and the critics have had to say, you know, watch this movie yourself. Obviously if you love Elliott Page or you love Michael Cera it's a good one. Or like, honestly, just if you love JK Simmons in anything. You know also if you love coming of age movies, it's a great Coming of Age movie. It's a it's a classic. And, you know, form your own opinions on it. Enjoy the movie. Thank you so much for listening. This has been Easy Bake takes. I'm Kat.

Ryley 1:08:25

And I'm Ryley

Kat 1:08:26

Easy watching out there.